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2012 - 1/11/2010 9:03:12 AM
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applemom
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There have been many end time programs on recently involving the Mayan calendar that apparently ends in Dec 2012.
Some of these involve Nostradamus and his 'lost' prophecies, some talk alot about a certain alignment of the planets.
Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has noticed and has a theory about why the calendar would end at that date?
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RE: 2012 - 1/11/2010 9:11:44 AM
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My theory is that anyone setting a month, day, or year for end times prophesies is a false prophet. I also am of the opinion that Gos has not shared any specific prophesies with pagans. So I place no biblical significance on 2012.
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RE: 2012 - 1/11/2010 11:19:09 AM
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I think there was a thread about this, maybe in current events. But I know that it means nothing. 2012 is only two years away so doesn't line up with Biblical prophecy. The people who claim that Nostradamus predicted things like Kennedy's assassination and 9/11 are making something out of nothing. His quatrains make no sense and speak of nothing specific.
Eutychus, I actually agree with you this time! I don't think God shares prophecies with pagans, either.
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RE: 2012 - 1/11/2010 12:55:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: Eutychus
My theory is that anyone setting a month, day, or year for end times prophesies is a false prophet. I also am of the opinion that Gos has not shared any specific prophesies with pagans. So I place no biblical significance on 2012.
2012 is not the "end" of the Mayan calendar, but the end of a cycle:
So when the Long Count calendar hits its limit on the 23rd (or 21st) of December four years from now (this article is from 2008), will that be it – the end of everything? There's no reason to think so, or to think the Mayans thought so. Just picture a very large and complex odometer flipping over to a long line of zeros and continuing on from there.
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RE: 2012 - 1/11/2010 6:42:19 PM
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I agree with MIlliecat and Euty.
By the way, I love the new pic, Euty.
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RE: 2012 - 1/11/2010 11:57:23 PM
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Even people of Mayan have stated their Calendar doesn't have anything to do with the the world ending or end of the age. Even Jesus said he didn't know what day God would declare as the last. In Revelation John outlines Jesus returning in Revelation 19 after God has put it into the minds of men to burn Mystery Babylon in one hour.
There may not be all that much left except a literal mark of the Beast, & the coming forth of the Two Witnesses to begin the days of prophecy against this world should Revelation follow that order. Only after that is Mystery Babylon that is an utter abomination before God destroyed by God.
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RE: 2012 - 1/16/2010 6:07:08 PM
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There has only been one Bible verse that jumps at my mind, when 12-21-12 is mentioned:
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
We will not have 'Time' in Eternity, and perhaps not in Millennium parse. I sometimes feel God didn't invent time until He started Creating.
Just a thought. In Messiah. Arley
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RE: 2012 - 1/16/2010 6:14:26 PM
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I think time came into being for man's sake. God is eternal and is not affected by time and has no need of it. But man needs time to order his days.
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RE: 2012 - 1/16/2010 6:17:55 PM
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Ah, yes, but, also, There really was no need for time until Adam got evicted from the Pent-House (light humor).
I agree with you, Patriciahere.
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RE: 2012 - 1/16/2010 6:19:56 PM
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Probably true--hadn't thought about the fact that before disobedience man lived in eternity--for a while anyway.
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RE: 2012 - 1/17/2010 11:12:45 PM
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Well, to put it bluntly, the mayans worshiped dieties that craved human sacrifice, so, whats the point of exploring where all of that came from?
With all of the blood shed for their um, 'redemption' they couldn't even stave off their own impending doom. So, good riddance! Nuff said! Lessons learned!
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RE: 2012 - 1/18/2010 8:09:59 AM
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Shalom, Arley.
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret
There has only been one Bible verse that jumps at my mind, when 12-21-12 is mentioned:
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
We will not have 'Time' in Eternity, and perhaps not in Millennium parse. I sometimes feel God didn't invent time until He started Creating.
Just a thought. In Messiah. Arley
Hey, bro', actually that's not what that verse means: It's not that there will be TIME no longer, but that there will be DELAY no longer! The Greek word translated "time" in Rev. 10:6 is "chronos," however, "chronos" means...
NT:5550 chronos (khron'-os); of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in general, and thus properly distinguished from NT:2540, which designates a fixed or special occasion; and from NT:165, which denotes a particular period) or interval; by extension, an individual opportunity; by implication, delay:
KJV - years old, season, space, (X often-) time (-s), (a) while.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
...and other versions will reveal that translation.
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RE: 2012 - 1/19/2010 8:48:04 PM
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Shalom, Roy. According to the definition you printed there are two avenues of understanding, as I see it. The initial definition is a cessation: "...designates a fixed or special occasion; and from NT:165, which denotes a particular period) or interval:..." followed by the second: "...by extension, an individual opportunity; by implication, delay: ..."
Should the connoting be related to the cessation of 'delay,' wouldn't that indicate delay could not be the focus of 'chronos,' since 'delay' would have to be in effect, and thus could not be stopped by delaying? I believe the verse sort-of says 'there shall be 'chronos' no more/longer.'
OK, I've hap-hazarded my novice brilliance, and now state that you are probably right, being much better versed than this linguistic quadriplegic, but my mouth still works. 
Scientifically speaking, I like the word 'Time' better, because it just fits my witto brain better. Ha again. and I shut up my fingers, before someone bites them off.
In Messiah, IMO, Time is too short to fight, but we still have to practice fighting, so we are warmed up for the flight. Arley and Yeee-Haaa!!
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RE: 2012 - 1/20/2010 1:55:18 AM
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ORIGINAL: applemom
There have been many end time programs on recently involving the Mayan calendar that apparently ends in Dec 2012.
Some of these involve Nostradamus and his 'lost' prophecies, some talk alot about a certain alignment of the planets.
Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has noticed and has a theory about why the calendar would end at that date?
Here's one.
They were aware of the Galactic Alignment. See the link.
http://2012wiki.com/index.php?title=Galactic_Alignment
Being that the records and the reasoning for the design of this calendar has been lost to history it's hard to say why that date has significence. But they may have realized that the Galactic Alignment was to happen approximatly at that time and made that the end date for their calendar.
Also that date was thousands of years in the future when the calendar was made. Perhaps they figured a end date that far in the future didn't matter.
A bit like knowing that there was a Y2K disaster 5000 years in the future. It simply didn't matter to them in 3000 BC.
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RE: 2012 - 1/20/2010 2:25:24 AM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, Arley.
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ORIGINAL: navyblueret
Shalom, Roy. According to the definition you printed there are two avenues of understanding, as I see it. The initial definition is a cessation: "...designates a fixed or special occasion; and from NT:165, which denotes a particular period) or interval:..." followed by the second: "...by extension, an individual opportunity; by implication, delay: ..."
Should the connoting be related to the cessation of 'delay,' wouldn't that indicate delay could not be the focus of 'chronos,' since 'delay' would have to be in effect, and thus could not be stopped by delaying? I believe the verse sort-of says 'there shall be 'chronos' no more/longer.'
OK, I've hap-hazarded my novice brilliance, and now state that you are probably right, being much better versed than this linguistic quadriplegic, but my mouth still works.
Scientifically speaking, I like the word 'Time' better, because it just fits my witto brain better. Ha again. and I shut up my fingers, before someone bites them off.
In Messiah, IMO, Time is too short to fight, but we still have to practice fighting, so we are warmed up for the flight. Arley and Yeee-Haaa!!
Right, but that's where CONTEXT comes into play:
Rev 10:5-7
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
KJV
Can you see how the word should be rendered "delay" because of the context? How can you have "the days" when the mystery of God is finished, if you have no more time?!
See, it's when preachers have taken the verse out of context and preached it as "time ceasing" and then that message is compounded by songs like "When the Roll Is Called Up Yonder" (i.e., "When the trumpet of the Lord shall sound, and time shall be no more, and the morning breaks eternal bright and fair...."), which ALSO have taken the verse out of context in a more subtle way, then we have introduced the confusion.
Let me give you one more passage of Scripture that helped me put the matter to rest in my own mind:
Isa 66:22-23
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
KJV
This proved to me that time will not be ended. Instead of "eternity" being the ABSENCE of time, it is for ALL time.
In the Messiah's love,
Roy
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RE: 2012 - 1/21/2010 4:26:16 PM
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Here's one.
They were aware of the Galactic Alignment. See the link.
http://2012wiki.com/index.php?title=Galactic_Alignment
Being that the records and the reasoning for the design of this calendar has been lost to history it's hard to say why that date has significance. But they may have realized that the Galactic Alignment was to happen approximately at that time and made that the end date for their calendar.
Also that date was thousands of years in the future when the calendar was made. Perhaps they figured a end date that far in the future didn't matter.
A bit like knowing that there was a Y2K disaster 5000 years in the future. It simply didn't matter to them in 3000 BC.
I agree, and yet I find it fascinating that the Mayan culture was able to predict future galactic events like solar/lunar eclipses, as well as the the 2012 galactic alignment, with such accuracy.
The Hopi Indians and the Egyptians also seem to note 12/21/12 as some sort of cataclysmic date.... guess we will all know on 12/22/12 
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RE: 2012 - 1/21/2010 8:58:49 PM
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Shalom Roy. You may well be right in how you see the 'time' ending. I do not see 'Time' parse ending, but the Time of the "Church, ending." (Era, whatever) Time will 'End,' IMO, but only at the time that Death, Hell, and HaStatan, are cast into the Lake of Fire. As usual, I didn't say my thoughts clearly. For what it is worth, the 'Angel' making that statement, may well do so at the Seventh Seal, which may (repeat may) be what brings about the Silence that lasts for about half an hour. (I am guessing, simply based upon the 'time' factor being so tremendous, so as to cause shock, unto silence). IMO, we will know, very very soon.
In respect to the Mayan calendar being the """END""" of the World. NOPE!! Perhaps the end of Things/Life, as we know it.
Euti may well be right about worrying about the Great Tribulation, and the End of the Church Era, and Going out to Minister to the Unsaved. Those of the Ministry Calling should be doing just that. But, even those who study the Prophecies, Witness Jesus, and call for folk to Repent, just not as well as the 'Minister.'
I do find the statements addressing that ""No one KNOWS"" the day or hour (to me a major clue as to actually WHEN it may happen), something of an interesting irritant. I find it interesting, simply because God does not mince, or waste words, and He dedicated between 25 and 35 percent of His teaching, and inspiration, to the very subject that everyone seems to be saying we should 'ignore, and just trust it will happen,' someone does err. My calling is to study and promote the Feasts of God, and how End-Times Prophecy is related to our destiny, and the times.
May we all pursue the 'calling' we believe we are 'called' to do, and may we all save treasure in Heaven, for pursuing that to which we are called, even if we are derided by our brothers and sisters for doing something different than they are doing. And I leave it at that.
In Messiah. His Blessing, and Strength, on one and all of my brothers and sisters, in Him. Arley
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RE: 2012 - 1/22/2010 9:38:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: Eutychus
My theory is that anyone setting a month, day, or year for end times prophesies is a false prophet. I also am of the opinion that God has not shared any specific prophesies with pagans. So I place no biblical significance on 2012.
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My theory is that anyone setting a month, day, or year for end times prophesies is a false prophet
Agreed
Actually setting a month, day, or year is not consistent with the beginning in Genesis,
God deals with times and seasons, and these are those things Jesus said, "that are in the Fathers authority" and therefore relates to the fulfillment of prophecy.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; “and let them be” … for signs, and for seasons, / and for days, and years:
When the rulers of the Jews constantly asked Jesus for a sign, the root of the question was based on Gen 1:14 where we see the word “signs”…. in the first part of the order
So any prophet who is not false…. knows those end times prophesies are based on signs and seasons NOT days, and years
Isa 38:22 Hezekiah also had said, What [is] the sign that I shall go up to the house of the LORD?
In other words ...
Hezekiah here was waiting for a word from the Lord that He received in Chapter 39:4-8
BUT
A good example; by definition; of the word “sign”… as it is meant to be defined; is given by example when the servant of Abraham prayed (Said) to God … so that he would know the right women for Isaac to marry…. by her fulfilling a few requests… in Genesis 24
The difference between a sign and a revelation in this context… is that the sign dictated that God heard the servant of Abraham … the revelation in answer to the words of the servant of Abraham was making that known Once the sign came to pass… that is was from God… Gen 24:50
So we have the root for all prophecy found there in right the beginning
In Gen 1:14 ” … for signs, and for seasons; ….these are in the Fathers authority,
Therefore, the day and hour represents time,
God is “outside of time”
When ask God… or pray to God for things to be answered or happen, HE HEARS the words of a servant of Abraham (of Faith)… and the season therefore represents “the time” that thing comes to pass
And a small portion of their beliefs is expressed here
Mat 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be?
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what [will be] “the sign”… of Your coming,
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of the end of the age?" = the season…
The Revelation
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I also am of the opinion that God has not shared any specific prophesies with pagans. So I place no biblical significance on 2012.
2012 has no biblical significance, that is unless the pagans do the will of the Lord, the second coming is based on what they do… not what we do.
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RE: 2012 - 1/29/2010 2:12:40 PM
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Good food for thought here.
Yeah when it is said the obvious seems so obvious. Why would God show pagans specific prophesies with pagans?
Unless maybe to make another attempt to wake them up? just thought of that.
Loyal gypsy are you saying, if anything, we should be watching for signs and seasons, not days and dates?
Does the moon affect more than the ocean tides?
Just wondering how the galactic alignment might affect the weather?
By the way, i am not basing my current behaviour on some future date. Each day I try to live out my faith in a way that is pleasing to God and reflects Christ.
I just enjoy good discussion and find answers on this forum help me have a response to what others say/ask.
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RE: 2012 - 2/5/2010 4:26:20 PM
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What I am about to put forth is a question. I am not stating anything as truth. I just happened to have a thought and wanted others to chime in regarding whether or not there is any Biblical truth to it or not.
Supposedly in 1963 the Vatican conducted a Black Mass in which they basically enthroned Lucifer over the church.
SOURCE (just Google any combination of "Lucifer Vatican 1963" and you will get pages and pages)
Well, I don't know what made me think of this... but I was thinking, "Could there be any chance the last week of Daniel's prophecy could end up being 49 years?" 7x7=49. If that were the case then each day of that week would have to be seven years. So I added 49 years to 1963 and it comes out to 2012. Interesting.
But I am not sure that there is any biblical justification for that conclusion (I don't think there is). Like I said above, I'm not claiming this as truth in any way. It's just a passing thought and wanted to bring it to discussion. I thought maybe that those here who "know" prophecy (they have it all graphed out and charted and know what Jesus is going to do, when how and why, etc.) could add some light tot he discussion.
Edited for spelling.
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RE: 2012 - 2/6/2010 12:07:41 AM
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What I am about to put forth is a question. I am not stating anything as truth. I just happened to have a though and wanted others to chime in regarding whether or not there is any Biblical truth to it or not.
Supposedly in 1963 the Vatican conducted a Black Mass in which they basically enthroned Lucifer over the church.
SOURCE (just Google any combination of "Lucifer Vatican 1963" and you will get pages and pages)
Well, I don't know what made me think of this... but I was thinking, "Could there be any chance the last week of Daniel's prophecy could end up being 49 years?" 7x7=49. If that were the case then each day of that week would have to be seven years. So I added 49 years to 1963 and it comes out to 2012. Interesting.
But I am not sure that there is any biblical justification for that conclusion (I don't think there is). Like I said above, I'm not claiming this as truth in any way. It's just a passing thought and wanted to bring it to discussion. I thought maybe that those here who "know" prophecy (they have it all graphed out and charted and know what Jesus is going to do, when how and why, etc.) could add some light tot he discussion.
Not that I am aware of, the verse says hour BTW
M't:25:13: Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
We are given some times in prophecy. Using your method 666 could refer to 6.66 billion people. If Satan takes 1/3 as part of the 6th trump then we are left with this many people
6.6 B / 3 = 2,220,000,000 Christ takes away 2/3 of those at His return The trick is determining just when the world population is 6.66 B on the nose.
I don't subscribe to the above or the theory below but they are 'wierd'
http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/ezekiels-city-circumference-of-the-earth.htm
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RE: 2012 - 2/6/2010 1:49:00 AM
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Sorry wayfaring_stranger, but I am not seeing how your response has any connection whatsoever to what I posted above. I am a bit tired now, and maybe that's why... so let me get some sleep and I'll revisit this thread again in the morning. I'm not trying to offend, I just don't see the connection.
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RE: 2012 - 2/6/2010 3:05:58 PM
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Sorry wayfaring_stranger, but I am not seeing how your response has any connection whatsoever to what I posted above. I am a bit tired now, and maybe that's why... so let me get some sleep and I'll revisit this thread again in the morning. I'm not trying to offend, I just don't see the connection.
The short answer was I don't know of anything in the Bible that wouls support your proposal.
Those are just two examples of playing with numbers that the Bible gives, I wouldn't promote either of them as being what the Bible actually means via those numbers.
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