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Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/14/2008 11:06:29 PM   
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Hi All,


I was a Christian for 30 years, but I always had nagging, basic questions. As I began asking people these very basic, almost child like questions, I found that instead of wanting to be helpful and explain things to me in a logical way, they just got mad at me. Eventually this is what caused me to leave Christianity to begin with.

But I still have questions. I am not dogmatic in my beliefs at all. I will give up what I believe and accept your views in a heart beat as long as the information you give me is more logical then the information I already have. In fact, in my opinion, this is the stance that anyone who truly wishes to call themselves an intellectual must take.

So I thought I might come to the most popular internet Christian forum I could find and see if I could get these very basic questions answered, or if people would get mad that I dare ask them to begin with.

My first question is "Why do you believe the Bible is True?"
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/14/2008 11:15:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 11arrows

My first question is "Why do you believe the Bible is True?"


What would my believing in whether the bible is true or not have any bering on your faith, or lack thereof? Me believing it doesn't make it true. A whole world of atheist not believing it doesn't make it untrue.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/14/2008 11:23:12 PM   
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What would my believing in whether the bible is true or not have any bering on your faith, or lack thereof?


Because if you have logical reasons for believing its true, I will listen. I realize I do not have all the information on earth, so I'm asking if anyone has anything logical to say on the issue that I have not previously thought of. How else would you learn?
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/14/2008 11:23:24 PM   
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To be honest with you , i have no idea why i started believing the bible was true . But in my heart i believe with 100% that it is . if that makes any sense
be patient there are lots of help full Christians on these forums that will give you better answers than mine .

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/14/2008 11:43:57 PM   
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To be honest with you , i have no idea why i started believing the bible was true . But in my heart i believe with 100% that it is . if that makes any sense
be patient there are lots of help full Christians on these forums that will give you better answers than mine .


I appreciate the response, but it doesn't really answer the question. I want to know why you believe it. It seems like it should be a very simple, obvious answer that comes to your mind immediately. Like if you were to ask me why I believe George Bush is president, I know instantly, exactly why I believe he is president.

How is it possible to 100% know something is true and not know why you believe that?
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/14/2008 11:50:44 PM   
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B/c the Holy Spirit confirms it in my heart. He says, yes, this is true. So I know that I know that I know that I know the word of God is true.

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ORIGINAL: 11arrows

Hi All,


I was a Christian for 30 years, but I always had nagging, basic questions. As I began asking people these very basic, almost child like questions, I found that instead of wanting to be helpful and explain things to me in a logical way, they just got mad at me. Eventually this is what caused me to leave Christianity to begin with.

But I still have questions. I am not dogmatic in my beliefs at all. I will give up what I believe and accept your views in a heart beat as long as the information you give me is more logical then the information I already have. In fact, in my opinion, this is the stance that anyone who truly wishes to call themselves an intellectual must take.

So I thought I might come to the most popular internet Christian forum I could find and see if I could get these very basic questions answered, or if people would get mad that I dare ask them to begin with.

My first question is "Why do you believe the Bible is True?"
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 12:02:17 AM   
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thank you dancre , thats exactly why i believe it , for some reason i just know its true . cant explain it but it is what it is

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ORIGINAL: Dancre

B/c the Holy Spirit confirms it in my heart. He says, yes, this is true. So I know that I know that I know that I know the word of God is true.

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ORIGINAL: 11arrows

Hi All,


I was a Christian for 30 years, but I always had nagging, basic questions. As I began asking people these very basic, almost child like questions, I found that instead of wanting to be helpful and explain things to me in a logical way, they just got mad at me. Eventually this is what caused me to leave Christianity to begin with.

But I still have questions. I am not dogmatic in my beliefs at all. I will give up what I believe and accept your views in a heart beat as long as the information you give me is more logical then the information I already have. In fact, in my opinion, this is the stance that anyone who truly wishes to call themselves an intellectual must take.

So I thought I might come to the most popular internet Christian forum I could find and see if I could get these very basic questions answered, or if people would get mad that I dare ask them to begin with.

My first question is "Why do you believe the Bible is True?"



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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 12:17:10 AM   
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B/c the Holy Spirit confirms it in my heart. He says, yes, this is true. So I know that I know that I know that I know the word of God is true.




Ok, I'm not trying to be condescending, so don't take this the wrong way. I'm only being honest. Basically, your telling me that you believe it's true because a ghost told you it was true?" Can you imagine if you asked a Scientologist why he believes Scientology is true and he responded is was because a ghost told him it was. Be honest. What would you think of him?

< Message edited by 11arrows -- 11/15/2008 12:58:16 AM >
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 12:26:51 AM   
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i believe the bible because it is backed up in all creation. if you study it out and study what is natural or history there is no flaw between what the word of god states and the findings on earth. this is scientific, natural and intellectually speaking. please ask and if i do not know i will pray for the answer.

i think it is wrong that anyone would be angry with your questions asking questions is a way for us to grow spiritually and in our faith.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 12:37:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 11arrows

Hi All,


I was a Christian for 30 years, but I always had nagging, basic questions. As I began asking people these very basic, almost child like questions, I found that instead of wanting to be helpful and explain things to me in a logical way, they just got mad at me. Eventually this is what caused me to leave Christianity to begin with.

But I still have questions. I am not dogmatic in my beliefs at all. I will give up what I believe and accept your views in a heart beat as long as the information you give me is more logical then the information I already have. In fact, in my opinion, this is the stance that anyone who truly wishes to call themselves an intellectual must take.

So I thought I might come to the most popular internet Christian forum I could find and see if I could get these very basic questions answered, or if people would get mad that I dare ask them to begin with.

My first question is "Why do you believe the Bible is True?"


What was your background so we know where you are coming from.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 12:47:57 AM   
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I was raised in the Assemblies of God Church in the deep south. I even attended an ACE Christian school as well as several Christian private schools. Not sure what more background you need, but feel free to ask for specifics.
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 12:51:01 AM   
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i believe the bible because it is backed up in all creation.


Could you give some examples of this that proves the bible is true?
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 12:55:21 AM   
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IF you really want to hear some intelligent answer on this, there's a lot of books an theology and apologetics that could help you. I can recommend a few if you want.

Also, there's a lot of reason in believing in the authority and credibility of the bible as the word of God.

Examine the archaeological findings that support the events in the bible.
Examine the historical records that substantiate the claims of the bible.
Examine the consistency, and the flow of the theme in the bible. 6 book, with 40 different authors, all pointing to the same these.
Examine at all the prophecies that have come true.
If all else fails, go to the Theology folder. Lots of discussion there and that's where you'll find every intellectual that's going to engage you in conversation.

Genesis was written when people was creating so many Gods. In one sentence, God toppled all other beliefs in other and said He is the only one true God who created the heavens and the earth. The bible then proceeded to reveal who this God is in words that we can understand.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 12:57:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 11arrows

I was raised in the Assemblies of God Church in the deep south. I even attended an ACE Christian school as well as several Christian private schools. Not sure what more background you need, but feel free to ask for specifics.


That helps to understand what you were taught. We have every background imaginable here and then some. I understand where you are coming from since I went through a period of questioning everything I had been taught growing up. I'm still working it out to be honest. I just know that there were times in my life when there was no doubt that God was working in my life and that the Bible was the main means of how he accomplished it. Ultimately it is still a faith issue. It doesn't have to be a blind faith though.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 1:08:15 AM   
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Stand to Reason


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Let my people think

Check out some of these websites. They have excellent materials and popdcasts that might help you.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 1:15:40 AM   
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IF you really want to hear some intelligent answer on this, there's a lot of books an theology and apologetics that could help you. I can recommend a few if you want.

Also, there's a lot of reason in believing in the authority and credibility of the bible as the word of God.

Examine the archaeological findings that support the events in the bible.
Examine the historical records that substantiate the claims of the bible.
Examine the consistency, and the flow of the theme in the bible. 6 book, with 40 different authors, all pointing to the same these.
Examine at all the prophecies that have come true.
If all else fails, go to the Theology folder. Lots of discussion there and that's where you'll find every intellectual that's going to engage you in conversation.

Genesis was written when people was creating so many Gods. In one sentence, God toppled all other beliefs in other and said He is the only one true God who created the heavens and the earth. The bible then proceeded to reveal who this God is in words that we can understand.



What archeological evidence that supports the events in the bible? Ive looked. I didn't find any. There are mentions in the Bible of towns that existed in real life and groups who really existed, but so does every other work of fiction ever written. I read "Gone with the Wind" the other day, and in the book the North comes to burn Atlanta down. Now we know the north really did come and burn Atlanta down, we have evidence of this, yet we also know that Scarlett and Rhett didn't really exist. Because its a book of fiction set upon a historical background. Finding towns that existed in the bible no more proves the bible is true then finding and old Yankee uniform would prove Gone with the Wind is a true story. To me this seems like child level logic.

What Historical record? Ive looked for them. During the time Jesus supposedly lived, not a single piece of evidence has every been found that anyone wrote a single word about him. Not a single one of the historians that lived in that day, no one at all. So If there is historical records, don't tell me to go find them, you go find them and then tell me what they are.

What prophecies? Be specific. I've looked into this and so far a havn't come across any that have no better explanation than to believe the Bible is real. But I'm open to suggestion. Once again, don't tell me to go find them. I'm asking. If you don't know, just say you don't now.

I've gone, I've looked. Have you? If so you must have found something I was unable to find. So what is it?
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 1:17:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 11arrows

Hi All,


I was a Christian for 30 years, but I always had nagging, basic questions. As I began asking people these very basic, almost child like questions, I found that instead of wanting to be helpful and explain things to me in a logical way, they just got mad at me. Eventually this is what caused me to leave Christianity to begin with.

But I still have questions. I am not dogmatic in my beliefs at all. I will give up what I believe and accept your views in a heart beat as long as the information you give me is more logical then the information I already have. In fact, in my opinion, this is the stance that anyone who truly wishes to call themselves an intellectual must take.

So I thought I might come to the most popular internet Christian forum I could find and see if I could get these very basic questions answered, or if people would get mad that I dare ask them to begin with.

My first question is "Why do you believe the Bible is True?"

I'll gladly answer that question for you 11 Arrows. And I also believe that if you do come to the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ you will find that you weren't a Christian before in the first place. Christianity is all about becoming transformed. It's not about going to church or claiming the title of Christian like it was the book of the month club that you could drop out of. Your statement that I bolded gives that away. I'll pray that God will indeed lay on your heart what a true relationship with the Creator of the universe entails.

Now to answer your question. The oneness or unity of the Bible is a miracle in itself. It is a library of 66 books, written by over 35 different authors, in a period of approximately 1,500 years. Represented in the authors is a cross section of humanity, the educated and uneducated, including kings, fisherman, public officials, farmers, teachers, and physicians. Included in the subjects are religion, history, law, science, poetry, drama, biography, and prophecy. Yet it's various parts are as harmoniously united as the parts that make up the human body.

For 35 authors, with such varied backgrounds, to write on so many subjects over a period of approximately 1,500 years in absolute harmony, is a mathematical impossibility. It could not happen! Well then how do we account for the Bible? The only adequate explanation is " men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God " 2 Peter 1:21.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 1:25:37 AM   
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Why Do I believe the Bible is true
Well it was written by over 40 different authors in 3 different langagues over a span of 1500 years without contradiction.

Archeology backs up the Bible

The fact that it has been perserved from antiquity (we have more manuscripts of the Bible than any other ancient wriritins)

It has a central theme in pointing to Jesus

Prophecy and Fulfilment Just read Daniel and realize that the dead sea scrolls points to an early date for Daniel and the fact that it accuratly perdicts the rise and fall of kingdoms that came after his time

those are just a few. If you really want some well thought out answers by very smart people I would recoment Evidence the Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell, The Case of Christ, Case for Faith and Case for the Creator by Lee Stroble. In the Case books Lee interview a bunch of PhDs so its very intellectuall.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 1:33:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: 11arrows

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prairiehiker

IF you really want to hear some intelligent answer on this, there's a lot of books an theology and apologetics that could help you. I can recommend a few if you want.

Also, there's a lot of reason in believing in the authority and credibility of the bible as the word of God.

Examine the archaeological findings that support the events in the bible.
Examine the historical records that substantiate the claims of the bible.
Examine the consistency, and the flow of the theme in the bible. 6 book, with 40 different authors, all pointing to the same these.
Examine at all the prophecies that have come true.
If all else fails, go to the Theology folder. Lots of discussion there and that's where you'll find every intellectual that's going to engage you in conversation.

Genesis was written when people was creating so many Gods. In one sentence, God toppled all other beliefs in other and said He is the only one true God who created the heavens and the earth. The bible then proceeded to reveal who this God is in words that we can understand.



What archeological evidence that supports the events in the bible? Ive looked. I didn't find any. There are mentions in the Bible of towns that existed in real life and groups who really existed, but so does every other work of fiction ever written. I read "Gone with the Wind" the other day, and in the book the North comes to burn Atlanta down. Now we know the north really did come and burn Atlanta down, we have evidence of this, yet we also know that Scarlett and Rhett didn't really exist. Because its a book of fiction set upon a historical background. Finding towns that existed in the bible no more proves the bible is true then finding and old Yankee uniform would prove Gone with the Wind is a true story. To me this seems like child level logic.

What Historical record? Ive looked for them. During the time Jesus supposedly lived, not a single piece of evidence has every been found that anyone wrote a single word about him. Not a single one of the historians that lived in that day, no one at all. So If there is historical records, don't tell me to go find them, you go find them and then tell me what they are.

What prophecies? Be specific. I've looked into this and so far a havn't come across any that have no better explanation than to believe the Bible is real. But I'm open to suggestion. Once again, don't tell me to go find them. I'm asking. If you don't know, just say you don't now.

I've gone, I've looked. Have you? If so you must have found something I was unable to find. So what is it?

Like Sue244 mentions A Case for Christ by Strobel will answer many of the questions you mention here.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 1:38:36 AM   
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Why Do I believe the Bible is true
Well it was written by over 40 different authors in 3 different langagues over a span of 1500 years without contradiction.

Archeology backs up the Bible

The fact that it has been perserved from antiquity (we have more manuscripts of the Bible than any other ancient wriritins)

It has a central theme in pointing to Jesus

Prophecy and Fulfilment Just read Daniel and realize that the dead sea scrolls points to an early date for Daniel and the fact that it accuratly perdicts the rise and fall of kingdoms that came after his time

those are just a few. If you really want some well thought out answers by very smart people I would recoment Evidence the Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell, The Case of Christ, Case for Faith and Case for the Creator by Lee Stroble. In the Case books Lee interview a bunch of PhDs so its very intellectuall.



Thank you for your response. I have read all of the books you mentioned above, and then gone and independently researched to see if what they said is the truth.

First off the fact that the Bible does not contradict itself is stated as a fact, but in actuality is very much debated, and if we are being honest, more people on earth do not believe that then who do. I can link you to pages that claim to contain hundreds of contradictions in the Bible. So stating opinions as facts even though they are very highly debated, and, in fact, thought by most human beings not to be facts, is very poor logic to my mind.

Any archeology found that matches the Bible (what little their is) is much better explained by the fact that almost every single work of fiction ever written contains towns, people, and places that actually existed in real life. For example London is real, but James Bond is not. If in a million years future mankind finds the ruins of London, will that also prove that James Bond existed? Of course not. Once again, child logic.

Could you be specific about the prophecies in Daniel that you feel are smoking gun proof the Bible is real and can not be explained any better way?
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 1:44:24 AM   
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What Historical record?


Check out the writings of first century historian name Josephus.

It's late here, lol. I can't type anymore. Will continue tomorrow.

I do recommend all the Lee Strobel book. Very easy readins. I have all four of them. They are the works of bible scholars. The titles are The case of a creator, the case for Christ, The case for the true Jesus and teh Case for Faith. Also, check out Evidences that demand Verdict by Josh Macdowell I just opened mine again tonight after but, alas, my brain doesn't function well past midnight, lol

Also, if you're sincere about your serach, you'll never run out of materials to read through. stand to Reason and Reasonable faith is where I go to most of the time. Dr William Lane Craig is one of the most respected apologist in the country right now. Also, there's a few other guys whom I can't recall right now...because my eyes are just closing as I write.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 1:51:46 AM   
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Ok, I remember, check out Francis Collins Francis Collins. He's a geneticist, and a well respected scientist. He headed the mapping of the human gnome. The only man worthy of debating Richard Dawkins. Collins used to be an atheist. I don't have any of his books, but I've flipped through one of them. Also, I'll try to find the article done by Times where he sat down with Dawkins and discussed thier opposite beliefs.

Tommor, I promise.

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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 1:54:22 AM   
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What Historical record?


Check out the writings of first century historian name Josephus.

It's late here, lol. I can't type anymore. Will continue tomorrow.





Josephus has been found to be a forgery first of all, and secondly Josephus was not even born yet when Jesus died. That's really the BEST evidence? A known forgery from a guy not even born when Jesus was alive? Seriously?

And as I've mentioned, I've read the books, Independently checked them out, and much of the material is in grave disagreements with other scholars. If you weren't aware that Josephus is now an admitted forgery then obviously you haven't independently verified this stuff, and if you did know and are still using him as your best example, then you must already understand how weak your case is.
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 2:07:23 AM   
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Ok, I remember, check out Francis Collins Francis Collins. He's a geneticist, and a well respected scientist.



So you believe in evolution then? Is it safe to assume that you don't take the Bible literally?
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RE: Former Christian has questions about the Bible - 11/15/2008 2:10:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 11arrows

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ORIGINAL: sue244

Why Do I believe the Bible is true
Well it was written by over 40 different authors in 3 different langagues over a span of 1500 years without contradiction.

Archeology backs up the Bible

The fact that it has been perserved from antiquity (we have more manuscripts of the Bible than any other ancient wriritins)

It has a central theme in pointing to Jesus

Prophecy and Fulfilment Just read Daniel and realize that the dead sea scrolls points to an early date for Daniel and the fact that it accuratly perdicts the rise and fall of kingdoms that came after his time

those are just a few. If you really want some well thought out answers by very smart people I would recoment Evidence the Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell, The Case of Christ, Case for Faith and Case for the Creator by Lee Stroble. In the Case books Lee interview a bunch of PhDs so its very intellectuall.




First off the fact that the Bible does not contradict itself is stated as a fact, but in actuality is very much debated, and if we are being honest, more people on earth do not believe that then who do. I can link you to pages that claim to contain hundreds of contradictions in the Bible. So stating opinions as facts even though they are very highly debated, and, in fact, thought by most human beings not to be facts, is very poor logic to my mind.


Are you searching for Truth or taking a gallup poll?

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