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Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 6/29/2009 12:55:29 PM
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RosieCotton
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On Monday, Nancy-Ann DeParle will be hosting a live-streamed, online chat to discuss health care reform (like the recent one with Van Jones). Join the White House's Facebook page to get the time once it is finalized. This will be done at 5pm Eastern Time. http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/ Then on Wed, July 1st, the President will hold another online town hall to answer more of your questions. This online town hall will be a little different than the last one. This time around, we are engaging online networks outside of WhiteHouse.gov, such as Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY7HccFXjZU&feature=player_embedded For those who are interested, here are somethings to watch and hear what is going on in our country. If you don't like this and will not be watching/listening, that is fine, but please keep your negative comments to yourself. If you did watch it, what are your thoughts on what you heard? Thankyou. Rosie.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 6/29/2009 1:28:36 PM
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I am new to twitter so I am not sure I did it correctly. You are suppose to include something that will alert the whitehouse. A poll was recently taken that show 70% are satifisfied with their own heathcare. So I asked the WhiteHouse why destroy the best healthcare system in the world.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 6/29/2009 2:09:50 PM
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I did the same thing. But with the Socialist-In-Chief running the show, I don't think our little protests are going to amount to much.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 6/29/2009 2:34:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: djv1255 I am new to twitter so I am not sure I did it correctly. You are suppose to include something that will alert the whitehouse. A poll was recently taken that show 70% are satifisfied with their own heathcare. So I asked the WhiteHouse why destroy the best healthcare system in the world. Thirty percent is a Big minority. Enough to swing a Presidential election.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/3/2009 6:38:43 AM
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A poll was recently taken that show 70% are satifisfied with their own heathcare. So I asked the WhiteHouse why destroy the best healthcare system in the world. How will he destroy the French or Italian systems?
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/4/2009 7:48:55 PM
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A poll was recently taken that show 70% are satifisfied with their own heathcare. So I asked the WhiteHouse why destroy the best healthcare system in the world. How will he destroy the French or Italian systems? National Rankings I notice the U.S. is ranked 37th; doesn't translate to the best healthcare system in the world...
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/4/2009 7:54:37 PM
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RosieCotton
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yeah.....i know i'll soon be w/out healthcare....... for me, i am very interested in this debate. and that is a pretty frightening thing.......
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/17/2009 8:56:54 AM
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ORIGINAL: RosieCotton On Monday, Nancy-Ann DeParle will be hosting a live-streamed, online chat to discuss health care reform (like the recent one with Van Jones). Join the White House's Facebook page to get the time once it is finalized. This will be done at 5pm Eastern Time. http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/ Then on Wed, July 1st, the President will hold another online town hall to answer more of your questions. This online town hall will be a little different than the last one. This time around, we are engaging online networks outside of WhiteHouse.gov, such as Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY7HccFXjZU&feature=player_embedded For those who are interested, here are somethings to watch and hear what is going on in our country. If you don't like this and will not be watching/listening, that is fine, but please keep your negative comments to yourself. If you did watch it, what are your thoughts on what you heard? Thankyou. Rosie. So did you watch? I did not, but interested in what you heard. quote:
yeah.....i know i'll soon be w/out healthcare....... for me, i am very interested in this debate. and that is a pretty frightening thing....... I'm interested because our daughter (40+) works for a temp. agency and therefore w/out health care insurance. She went to 'Patent Care' yesterday for what turned out to be a sore throat and bronchus; It Cost her $525.00 before she was finished --- and that included generic and over-the-counter meds.. A whole weeks and half of the following weeks pay check . Are any of these "reforms" going to get to the source --- outrageous cost factor? At these prices, I'd rather risk dying then going to a doctor today. Yes, it's ALL about COST to me!!!
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/18/2009 5:18:57 PM
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yes, i listened......and was kindof filled w/more questions then the ones they answered......it was interesting, but i've learned more since....... i listend to the Daily Show, http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/233134/wed-july-15-2009-kathleen-sebelius the beginning is alittle over the edge, but.....the end w/Kathleen Sebulius is pretty interesting.......and should be encouraging to your daughter. Rosie.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/18/2009 11:17:04 PM
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Are any of these "reforms" going to get to the source --- outrageous cost factor? This is one region in which I strongly agree with conservatives: legal tort reform to reduce the plague of medical malpractice suits which are jacking up costs. Of course, there are legit lawsuits out there regarding negligence by doctors, but most lawyers couldn't care less whether any actual harm is done or not. It's far more profitable to get someone to sue anyhow, and settle with the hospital's insurance carrier out of court. Frivolous medical lawsuits have become as popular as the lottery, and the odds are a thousand times better. This said, I also support a medical insurance option via Obama's plan. And if it means a tax hike on those earning in excess of $350K I say go for it. When insurance company bean counters can condemn people to death by refusing coverage for an existing condition, there is something grossly wrong with that picture. quote:
I've been without insurance since graduation, and it is scary. I can't remember the last time I had health insurance.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/18/2009 11:45:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: RosieCotton yes, i listened......and was kindof filled w/more questions then the ones they answered......it was interesting, but i've learned more since....... i listend to the Daily Show, http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/233134/wed-july-15-2009-kathleen-sebelius the beginning is alittle over the edge, but.....the end w/Kathleen Sebulius is pretty interesting.......and should be encouraging to your daughter. Rosie. Thanks, but found nothing I haven't already heard; nothing encouraging for my daughter. BTW, 'Patent First' called her last night and said, Another Radiologist took a look at her ex-ray and seen a dark area; She has a touch of Pneumonia; doctor has prescribed another antibiotic for her to take. That cost another $46.00 for 6 pills; SIX Pills.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 2:14:28 AM
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I'm interested because our daughter (40+) works for a temp. agency and therefore w/out health care insurance. She went to 'Patent Care' yesterday for what turned out to be a sore throat and bronchus; It Cost her $525.00 before she was finished --- and that included generic and over-the-counter meds.. A whole weeks and half of the following weeks pay check . Are any of these "reforms" going to get to the source --- outrageous cost factor? At these prices, I'd rather risk dying then going to a doctor today. Yes, it's ALL about COST to me!!! I just graduated from college, and it would cost $500 monthly to stay on my parents' insurance provided through the job. I've been without insurance since graduation, and it is scary. I have medical conditions I need treatment for, but I had to stop because I have no insurance. I called and got individual yesterday for about $100/month, but I can't get treatment for pre-existing conditions for a year. The pre-existing conditions are the main reason why I need insurance. I'd pay out of pocket, but it's way too expensive and my doc doesn't take cash anyway. How wonderful. I'm waiting for the obligatory response of "that is just too bad, you should get a better job, sell your tv, buy your clothes from Salvation Army and rummage through the trash during the week for your furniture. If you can afford those things then you can afford insurance! You peeple just have to have everything given to you!!!!" Just trying to sound like a "good conservative" here. I've slowly got on the "healthcare bandwagon" since 1993 when the left painted the more accurate picture of where care was actually going than the right.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 2:33:16 AM
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I'm waiting for the obligatory response of "that is just too bad, you should get a better job, sell your tv, buy your clothes from Salvation Army and rummage through the trash during the week for your furniture. If you can afford those things then you can afford insurance! You peeple just have to have everything given to you!!!!" Just trying to sound like a "good conservative" here. I've slowly got on the "healthcare bandwagon" since 1993 when the left painted the more accurate picture of where care was actually going than the right. I don't have a problem accepting the difficulties of having ill health, I simply don't accept the panacea of socialist healthcare offered by this administration. They don't have to go hand in hand.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 2:58:27 AM
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If it were JUST ill health, it might be one thing. But ill health leads to disability or at least to enough trouble with employment it often might as well BE disability, which then leads to poverty, which all to often leads to judgment and finger pointing about how the person in ill health shoulda just had good insurance to get proper health care in the first place so they coulda kept working, rather than daring to extend a helping hand or offer so much as spare change. This is why access to appropriate health care in a timely manner is so important and must be made unconditional or at the very least a whole lot cheaper and easier than it is now. As to malpractice, it's a red herring. No one has any HONEST or ACCURATE idea how many of the suits are "frivolous" and how many are "appropriate". What we do know is that in at least many states, there's no way to report a doctor who's badly practicing medicine that will actually do anything OTHER than by filing a lawsuit to hit him or her in the pocket book. This in itself is absurd. Before we start doing any "tort reform" what we need is QUALITY reform. There are lot of doctors practicing - many without so much as a blemish on their license - whose level of quality is around "shouldn't be allowed to see live patients without direct supervision". I've seen doctors who've asked ME medical questions, ones who clearly ignored even the most basic bits of medication direction as listed on the PATIENT handouts, and ones who couldn't diagnose or treat even something as simple as a fever if you handed them a thermometer and the tylenol - and some of my friends have seen worse doctors. What are nitwits like these doing practicing medicine without some sort of warning in their lobby that a substandard doctor hides behind the door? Yet you can look up their licenses and almost without exception they've never even been investigated. This has a lot to do with why there are so many malpractice suits - someone has to get the point across that this isn't tolerable. If the suits aren't either, tell the applicable licensing agencies to start doing their jobs instead of protecting incompetent doctors.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 3:22:20 AM
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If it were JUST ill health, it might be one thing. But ill health leads to disability or at least to enough trouble with employment it often might as well BE disability, which then leads to poverty, which all to often leads to judgment and finger pointing about how the person in ill health shoulda just had good insurance to get proper health care in the first place so they coulda kept working, rather than daring to extend a helping hand or offer so much as spare change. This is why access to appropriate health care in a timely manner is so important and must be made unconditional or at the very least a whole lot cheaper and easier than it is now. Well, I think it needs to be noted, because it is a very important point, that healthcare will never be available 'unconditionally' for the very simple reason that it is a finite resource. There are only so many doctors, hospitals, medicines etc. that can be made available. And making it free or very cheap will not change this; indeed, it could very well make it very scarce for individuals - indeed it is almost impossible that it not be so. And it is also quite possible, due to the fact that medicine will be a much less attractive profession under socialism, that doctors and hospitals and medicines will actually on the whole be less avaiable. And so rather than having difficulty accessing such things because of cost, one may very well have difficulty accessing them because they are being rationed, or because they have become unavailable all together. quote:
As to malpractice, it's a red herring. No one has any HONEST or ACCURATE idea how many of the suits are "frivolous" and how many are "appropriate". What we do know is that in at least many states, there's no way to report a doctor who's badly practicing medicine that will actually do anything OTHER than by filing a lawsuit to hit him or her in the pocket book. This in itself is absurd. Before we start doing any "tort reform" what we need is QUALITY reform. There are lot of doctors practicing - many without so much as a blemish on their license - whose level of quality is around "shouldn't be allowed to see live patients without direct supervision". I've seen doctors who've asked ME medical questions, ones who clearly ignored even the most basic bits of medication direction as listed on the PATIENT handouts, and ones who couldn't diagnose or treat even something as simple as a fever if you handed them a thermometer and the tylenol - and some of my friends have seen worse doctors. What are nitwits like these doing practicing medicine without some sort of warning in their lobby that a substandard doctor hides behind the door? Yet you can look up their licenses and almost without exception they've never even been investigated. This has a lot to do with why there are so many malpractice suits - someone has to get the point across that this isn't tolerable. If the suits aren't either, tell the applicable licensing agencies to start doing their jobs instead of protecting incompetent doctors. Well, I think it is important to note that socialized doctors aren't neccesarily going to be more proficient doctors; indeed, there are plenty of social workers and other sorts of government workers who have been negligent in their duties to demonstrate that a large federal bureaucratic program won't solve that. But what your response misses is that large suits increase the insurance costs all doctors and hospitals have to carry to be able to contnue their practices; and as much as this is true, it will have an impact on the cost of medicine. The current bill does nothing to ameliorate this reality, in fact it exascerbates it by allowing private laywers to sue on behalf of the government without first asking permission. This greatly expands the suits that doctors and hospitals will face, and continue to drive up the costs of healthcare.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 4:06:33 AM
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Is it possible to view the comments of someone other than Diana Jacobson? Where can I find other comments?
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 4:18:07 AM
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BTW, while I don't necessarily agree with Obama (and I don't necessarily disagree either) and I don't really think he knows what he's doing (and his video seems to be a bunch of sound bites pointing out what's wrong with our current system), in this situation I appreciate his attempts to try to address the public and to even try to interact with the public and have Nancy-Ann DeParle try to interact with the public (though I'm sure it probably won't make much of a difference). Still, his video seems very vague and doesn't seem to have much detail. He also said, "I will not sign on to any health plan that adds to our deficits over the next decade." I find this very hard to believe and given his history of not keeping his word I find it even harder to believe. I don't necessarily disagree with his plan (and I don't necessarily agree with it either, whatever his plan is) but I would like him to present any bill to the public for review and give the public AT LEAST two weeks (3 - 4 weeks preferably) to review and analyze the bill before he signs it. At least that would give us time to prepare for what's to come or to try to resist if there is anything absurd.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 9:53:04 AM
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ORIGINAL: Bettawrekonize I don't necessarily disagree with his plan (and I don't necessarily agree with it either, whatever his plan is) but I would like him to present any bill to the public for review and give the public AT LEAST two weeks (3 - 4 weeks preferably) to review and analyze the bill before he signs it. At least that would give us time to prepare for what's to come or to try to resist if there is anything absurd. I think a bill that effects every American not only should be presented to the public for review and give the public AT LEAST two months (3 - 4 months preferably) to review and analyze the bill and then let the public go to the Polls and Vote for or against it --- Popular/Majority votes winning. As for me, as it stands I would vote against it, unless it included all pharmaceutical needs subscribed by doctor, vision (including eye glasses if needed), & dental (including false teeth if needed); and the cost of basic health care insurance is single payer or a individual family policy (no mandate/requirement for employers to fund health care insurance) and all cost to single payer or a individual family policy is based on individual (or total family) yearly income.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 10:44:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady I think a bill that effects every American not only should be presented to the public for review and give the public AT LEAST two months (3 - 4 months preferably) to review and analyze the bill and then let the public go to the Polls and Vote for or against it --- Popular/Majority votes winning. While I don't think we should do this for every bill passed I do think that such an idea is a good idea for this specific bill. Good thinking. If the people vote for it then fine, if it fails we have no one else to blame. I have no problems with that. If the people don't vote for it then the people have spoken and even if it is a good bill I have no problems with it if it's not voted for by the masses. The people should decide what they value and what they think constitutes a good bill. And assuming Obama's plan will work, one nation may think a certain configuration is good because they value one thing more than another (ie: they value fewer taxes more than universal health care) while another may decide just the opposite (because they are more willing to pay higher taxes since they value universal health care more). What one nation considers a failure another may consider a success depending on what the people value the most. Let the people decide what they value most.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 1:06:02 PM
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I don't have a problem accepting the difficulties of having ill health, I simply don't accept the panacea of socialist healthcare offered by this administration. They don't have to go hand in hand. That sounds similiar to my opinion to, though where I may differ from you is if a plan came that I would "buy into" I could go for it. However what this administration wants to do is slap together a plan in less time than I would spend looking at buying a car. I'm convinced that some of the other nations health plans weren't just thrown together real quick to please the people and get the politicians re-elected. One can dislike or even hate some of the "socialized medicines" practised around the world but one can't deny that in some countries they are successful.
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RE: Healthcare Reform- 6/29 - 7/19/2009 1:48:37 PM
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$46 for six pills? The high cost of drugs in America is chiefly due to two factors: research and marketing costs. In regards to the latter, whenever you see TV commercials (and they seem to dominate cable and free TV networks, in addition to print ads in major magazines) advertising a given drug, the cost of that sweeping ad campaign is passed onto the consumer. So when John Doe buys six pills for $46, he is not only paying for the costs to research and manufacture that drug, but the extra costs patched on to hawk it to countless strangers in mass media.
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