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RE: Is there a GOD ? - 5/10/2010 12:33:02 PM
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FreeEagle
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Alone we would only guess about this question, but God gave us the Bible, so that we may know the answers. II Timothy 3:16 tells us that all scripture was God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness..... Let's examine this question from it's source, the Bible. First some questions regarding the Bible. How can I know if the Bible is true? Was it not written by men? And if the Bible is written by men, can it not have the results of whispering a story to one another, where the story starts one way, and ends totally different?
a.) Those who wrote the Bible were clear that God was working in them, this in itself makes their words worth recording, however over 2600 times these writers state in one way or another "These are not my words, but the word of God" . In other words God reveled to them and inspired them what to write. See II Peter 1:20-21. God reveled himself in many different ways: walking and talking with man, dreams, prophecies, etc.
b.) It is these prophecies that are probably the greatest evidence we have, that proves not only is the word of God (The Bible) is true, but also God himself is THE GOD and is very much real, (not many gods). I don't know what I'm going to have for dinner next week, let alone hundreds of years from now, know what's going to happen. But these prophecies were not only predicted hundreds of years ahead of time, but with detailed accuracy. Here are just a few.
Written 520 years before Christ, Micah 5:2, we see the prediction that from a small town in Judah, will come a ruler over Israel. We see it's fulfillment in Matthew 2:1-6.
Written about 755 years before Christ, Amos 9:13-15, Predicts that Israel (which had fallen) will be restored, and never again rooted out of the land. On May 14, 1948 Israel was re-established as a nation, after nearly 2000 years of dispersion.
In Matthew 24:15, Jesus is talking about when the end times will come, and makes reference those things spoken through the prophet Daniel, saying that we know end times are near, when we see these things happen. Now the challenge: Do a Google search for "History of Persia", If you compare the history of Persia to Daniel chapter 11, you will find that each verse represents 40-100 years, right to Persia being taken off the globe in 1935. Exactly as it was predicted over 2000 years ago.
c.) The next piece of evidence is when books of the Bible was written, compared to other written works, and the number of original copies found. Meaning, each copy had to be hand written, and therefore, stood to be of a trusted belief. (no printing presses).
Caesar : Written 100-44 BC, earliest copy 900 AD, time span 1,000 years after the events, only 10 copies found.
Plato (Tetralogies): Written 427-347 BC, earliest copy 1,200 years after the events, 7 copies found.
The New Testament: Written 40-100 years after the death of Jesus Christ, earliest copy 125 AD, time span, 25 years, over 24,000 copies found. This means witness's wrote these things, and they could be verified to other history writings, and stories from a recent generation, and not lost with many generations between them. The accuracy of the Bible as it is written today, has less then a .02% margin of error, when compared to the Dead Sea scrolls that were found in 1947.
I believe now is not a good time to question if God is real, as the end is soon, now is a time to KNOW God is real, and Jesus will come again, and all the things predicted in Revelation will happen, (many of which have already).
< Message edited by FreeEagle -- 5/10/2010 12:42:46 PM >
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I will counsel you and watch over you. Do not be like the horse and the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come to you.
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RE: Is there a GOD ? - 5/10/2010 12:50:46 PM
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drmark
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Is there a God? Alone we would only guess about this question, Not really, FreeEagle. It is a universal law of scientific observation that all events must have a cause sufficient to produce them. The universe is incredibly large - it required an infinite Cause for space to exist. The universe is incredibly old - it required an eternal Cause for time to exist. The universe contains incredible mass/energy - it required an omnipotent Cause for mass/energy to exist. There is life in the universe - it required a living Cause for life to exist. Thus we readily deduce that a universe of space, time, and matter with living entities in it is the result of the uncaused Cause Who is infinite, eternal, omnipotent, and living. Sure sounds like God exists to me!! 
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RE: Is there a GOD ? - 5/19/2010 3:11:35 AM
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DavidDockery
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Someone who could exist outside of time would be immune to cause/effect.God can be outside of time.
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RE: Is there a GOD ? - 5/25/2010 3:53:02 PM
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frankman
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There is evidence that a Rabbi by the name of Jesus Christ walked the earth in Palestine some 2000 years ago. Now what was unusual about Him was that He claimed to be God. So we don`t even have to look to the beginning before time to know that there is a God. We only have to look back 2000 years and ask ourselves the question was this Person who claimed to be the Son of God really God?
If Jesus, who claimed to be God, was not God, He was the greatest liar and deceiver the world has ever known. If He figured He was God, but was really not God, we could say He was a mental case. However if Jesus really was who He claimed to be and the Bible claims He is God, we have to ask ourselves the question Pilote asked about Jesus in Matt.27:22 "What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?"
In response to the above question some will reject Him as God because they do not want to accept Him as Lord of their lives. Others will simply neglect Him or even make fun of Him. However some will receive Him and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior by believing in His name.
For those who think they are wise and reject the Word of the Lord that claims Jesus is God the Book of Jeremiah has this to say about them in Jer.8:9. "The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?"
May we all accept Him as rightfully Lord and God of our lives.
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"Is not My word like fire,` declares the LORD, `and like a hammer that breaks a rock in peaces?" Jeremiah 23:29
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RE: Is there a GOD ? - 7/25/2010 9:36:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: slavis_show
We all know that there is a beginning. That beginning is called with many names. From the "beginning" till now we guide our life with the help of the faith and some rules given from the "beginning".
Here are some articles that I read and I thought about them very much. I seek your responses about them. I hope together we can find some answers about our faith and questions.
Article 1:
Article 2:
Article 3:
Thank you
The articles of most who try to explain such things without the recorded eyewitness account of God (i.e. the Bible) is like a group of fish trying to describe the world outside of the aquarium and where it all came from.
The infinite regress argument (who or what made this and who or what made what made this and back and back and back) has at least one merit... it shows us the futility of going back and back and back without stopping abruptly to an uncreated who or what that was able to transcend physical laws and in fact initiated the whole thing. Without that abrupt halt in the argument, the argument itself would be proof that nothing could exist except for the pesky persistent evidence all around us that the universe in fact does exist.
So... when we argue back to the point that from absolutely nothing... something sprang into existence... we must ask how is that possible? Without an intelligence who has power we cannot even begin to imagine who can transcend physical and astrophysical laws... left up to its own natural occurrence unaided by the aforementioned intelligence and power... nature cannot transcend physics... and the first law of thermodynamics (from nothing nothing comes) would prevent the initial building blocks of the universe we enjoy today from ever existing.
Ergo, there HAS to be that all powerful all knowledgeable intelligence to have given us the evidence of his existence by the fact of our existence and the existence of the universe.
I have never met an atheist who did not hear their mommy calling them to come in at this point rather than face this proof... proof that the one we call God exists or else we and all else could not exist per laws (not theories like evolution but scientific law) that militate against the possibility at all of such happenstance that something anything could come into existence on its own from absolutely nothing.
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If we are actually the truth seekers we like to think we are, then forsaking self will and falling in love with the will of God instead is the only way we become truth finders.
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