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Purim - 2/23/2010 7:46:02 PM
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Lochem_Eved_lAdonai
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So who would like to celebrate Purim cyber-style with me?
this post is for celebrating (as much as cyberspace allows) Purim and discussing what we know about Purim from our own experiences.
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RE: Purim - 2/23/2010 8:57:54 PM
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I know Purim is about Esther and the narrative of those events, but I don't know much about how it is celebrated. Care to enlighten us?
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RE: Purim - 2/23/2010 9:43:02 PM
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I know Purim is about Esther and the narrative of those events, but I don't know much about how it is celebrated. Care to enlighten us?
Well, traditionally, it follows the narrative about send portions one to another and it also is celebrated by Dressing up. some even refer to it as the Jewish Halloween except it's about the fact that "for the Jews there was light, joy, and a feast (as opposed to the genocide that Haman attempted)" whereas Halloween typically has the spiritual underground more as it's theme.
there is another custom which may offend some and isn't part of the Biblical narrative that I know of and that is that they drink 13 glasses of wine.... or until they can't tell the difference between "cursed is haman" and "blessed is Mordechai" whichever comes first.
Also the scroll of Ester is read. It's called the megilah (scroll).
Many also celebrate the Feast by putting on a play about the story behind the book of Ester.
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RE: Purim - 2/23/2010 10:57:21 PM
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When is Purim? Is it already past?
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RE: Purim - 2/23/2010 11:51:06 PM
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When is Purim? Is it already past?
According to Wikipedia, it's this coming weekend.
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 12:02:00 AM
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Happy Purim!
Have you eaten the Haman's Ears cookies? I have. And tried to make them... but I misunderstood the recipe, and it "flopped" majorly. But a coworker baked some, and we ate them at the celebratory party at the end of our study of Esther (the one written by Beth Moore). I got hooked on those!!
In one of the video sessions, Beth told us about the phrase the whole megillah. Do you ever use that phrase?
She showed us a scroll of Esther. Man... that thing was looooooooong!! 
thanks for the purim greetings! Yup I have eaten those ears and I must say they were delicious !
"The whole Megillah" for those who don't know basically means "the whole kit and kaboodle".
I haven't really used that turn of phrase a lot as I wasn't raised Jewish and only found out later in life that I am a Jew. Plus the Majority of my experience with Judaism (messianic or not) Has been in Israel. I didn't ever hear that phrase put into hebrew oddly enough... I only heard about it when I came back to the States .
Sounds like a worth while series!
Yup they are... you think that was long... ever checked out a Torah Scroll?
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Beresheet (Genesis) 12:1-3, 15:4-6, 15:18-21, 17:1-27, 25:21-26
Devarim (Deuteronomy) 28
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 7:36:43 AM
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When is Purim? Is it already past? It is this coming Sunday (Feb 28) with the Fast of Esther occuring tomorrow (Thursday 2/25)
Our congregation has a festival Sunday afternoon with games for kids, a reading of the story of Queen Hadassa (Esther) and Haman (BOOOO!!!!) a cake walk and costume contest.
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 7:43:07 AM
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BTW - Hamentachen means "Haman's Hat," not "Haman's ears."
One Purim some 12 or 14 years ago DW and I attended the Purim party at a Conservative synagoge we were taking a class at. A guy showed up in an ape suit, no one knew who or what he was. Eventually he put on a sign: "The Magilla Gorilla." Turned out he was the president of the synagogue.
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 7:50:31 AM
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I haven't really used that turn of phrase a lot as I wasn't raised Jewish and only found out later in life that I am a Jew. Plus the Majority of my experience with Judaism (messianic or not) Has been in Israel. I didn't ever hear that phrase put into hebrew oddly enough... I only heard about it when I came back to the States .
Did you used to post here under a different name because there was someone a while back with that exact same story?
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 7:57:45 AM
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Magilla Gorilla, that gave me a much needed chuckle this morning. This sounds very interesting. I LOVE Esther. Can Baptists join too? I promise not to take up an offering - ha.
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 9:51:18 AM
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BTW - Hamentachen means "Haman's Hat," not "Haman's ears."
I'll have to pass that on to the editor of the Esther study -- the cookie recipe was at the back of the study book.
Makes the cookie shape make more sense, actually.... 'cause to me, they looked like tricorn hats, not ears. (At least, the way my coworker had made them.) And I was quite puzzled.
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 11:08:48 AM
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Since Purim was never commanded by God, why is it any different than celebrating the Incarnation or the Resurrection?
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 12:04:21 PM
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Since Purim was never commanded by God, why is it any different than celebrating the Incarnation or the Resurrection? I guess that depends on how you exegete scripture.
Est 9:26 Therefore they called these days Purim after the name of Pur. And because of the instructions in this letter, both what they had seen in this regard and what had happened to them,
Est 9:27 the Jews established and made a custom for themselves and for their descendants and for all those who allied themselves with them, so that they would not fail to celebrate these two days according to their regulation and according to their appointed time annually.
Est 9:28 So these days were to be remembered and celebrated throughout every generation, every family, every province and every city; and these days of Purim were not to fail from among the Jews, or their memory fade from their descendants.
If you take every scripture as a command of God, and you are a believer in Jesus, The Jewish Messiah and read the words of Peter, James, Paul, John, et al who are all Jews, then you have allied yourself with the Jews and are commanded to celebrate Purim.
Otherwise you can consider it a command from the Persian monarchy and put here only for historical note.
But no matter which way you exegete it, do you really need a direct command of God to celebrate one of His historic salvations and victories?
So, whereas there is no recorded biblical command to celebrate Christmas/Incarnation or Easter/ Resurrection (unless you want to count the command to celebrate First Fruits), there is one recorded to celebrate Purim.
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 12:18:19 PM
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...the Jews established and made a custom for themselves...
Man-made. Not even a mention of God in their choice.
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...have allied yourself with the Jews and are commanded to celebrate Purim.
No command, it's man-made.
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...there is one recorded to celebrate Purim.
Sorry, Dave, that is just as much a rationalization as celebrating the Incarnation & Resurrection.
AT LEAST we have the example of a multitude of the heavenly host joyously celebrating the Incarnation. There wasn't a single celestial peep out of heaven over Purim.
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 12:36:45 PM
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Euty, you did not answer my main question:quote:
do you really need a direct command of God to celebrate one of His historic salvations and victories?
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 2:21:17 PM
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Euty, you did not answer my main question:quote:
do you really need a direct command of God to celebrate one of His historic salvations and victories?
I figure that we don't need a direct command to do it.
Why not celebrate it? We Gentiles don't have to. But it would be fun to join in with our Messianic brothers and sisters.
Until I did Beth Moore's study on Esther, I didn't realize the depth of riches of truth in that book. I mean, I knew the story, but really digging into it was so eye-opening!
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 2:34:11 PM
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Euty, you did not answer my main question:quote:
do you really need a direct command of God to celebrate one of His historic salvations and victories?
No. I celebrate the Incarnation and the Resurrection. But I've been told countless times, including by the OP, that one of the reasons we're such sinful, deluded, pawns of pagans is that neither of those are commanded by God, except obliquely and just because the majority of Christendom also does is not reason to do so.
Now you, you didn't address my main point:
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AT LEAST we have the example of a multitude of the heavenly host joyously celebrating the Incarnation. There wasn't a single celestial peep out of heaven over Purim.
Nor the Festival of Lights, I might add.
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 7:14:05 PM
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BTW - Hamentachen means "Haman's Hat," not "Haman's ears."
One Purim some 12 or 14 years ago DW and I attended the Purim party at a Conservative synagoge we were taking a class at. A guy showed up in an ape suit, no one knew who or what he was. Eventually he put on a sign: "The Magilla Gorilla." Turned out he was the president of the synagogue.
Yet Hamentachen is Yiddish. In Israel they eat "Oznei Haman" (Hebrew: Haman's ears.)
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Devarim (Deuteronomy) 6:4-9
Vaiyikra (Leviticus) 19:18
Beresheet (Genesis) 12:1-3, 15:4-6, 15:18-21, 17:1-27, 25:21-26
Devarim (Deuteronomy) 28
Tehillim (Psalms) 137
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 7:23:02 PM
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...the Jews established and made a custom for themselves...
Man-made. Not even a mention of God in their choice.
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...have allied yourself with the Jews and are commanded to celebrate Purim.
No command, it's man-made.
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...there is one recorded to celebrate Purim.
Sorry, Dave, that is just as much a rationalization as celebrating the Incarnation & Resurrection.
AT LEAST we have the example of a multitude of the heavenly host joyously celebrating the Incarnation. There wasn't a single celestial peep out of heaven over Purim.
Then please explain to me why Esther was included in the Cannon of Scripture which we all agree to be the "WORD of G-d"?
And if you will excuse me but this thread was made for the celebration of Purim and the exchange of information about it among those who celebrate it. You are more than free to make your own thread to debate the legitimacy of Purim. However you have come simply to try to cause an argument IMO.
If you can't listen and ask non-militant questions then please leave. You have no Idea IMO WHAT you are talking about. If you don't think that is the case PM me. I would LOVE to converse with you on the subject.
NOBODY but NOBODY is going to convince me to go back to Babylon.
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RE: Purim - 2/24/2010 7:26:15 PM
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ORIGINAL: DaveW
Euty, you did not answer my main question:quote:
do you really need a direct command of God to celebrate one of His historic salvations and victories?
No. I celebrate the Incarnation and the Resurrection. But I've been told countless times, including by the OP, that one of the reasons we're such sinful, deluded, pawns of pagans is that neither of those are commanded by God, except obliquely and just because the majority of Christendom also does is not reason to do so.
Now you, you didn't address my main point:
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AT LEAST we have the example of a multitude of the heavenly host joyously celebrating the Incarnation. There wasn't a single celestial peep out of heaven over Purim.
Nor the Festival of Lights, I might add.
If your reason for coming here is to debate out of revenge of some weird kind then PLEASE take it up with me in a PM.
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Vaiyikra (Leviticus) 19:18
Beresheet (Genesis) 12:1-3, 15:4-6, 15:18-21, 17:1-27, 25:21-26
Devarim (Deuteronomy) 28
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RE: Purim - 2/25/2010 7:27:18 AM
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Now you, you didn't address my main point:quote:
AT LEAST we have the example of a multitude of the heavenly host joyously celebrating the Incarnation. There wasn't a single celestial peep out of heaven over Purim. Nor the Festival of Lights, I might add. Touche' That is very true. (I accepted it as a given)
We do have Jesus in the temple during the Festival of Lights. (Rededication)
One of the things I really like about Messianic Judaism is that we get to celebrate BOTH sets of holidays, Jewish and Christian.
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RE: Purim - 2/25/2010 2:12:25 PM
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Anyone taking part in the Fast of Esther today?
(I am)
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RE: Purim - 2/25/2010 4:28:39 PM
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Since Purim was never commanded by God, why is it any different than celebrating the Incarnation or the Resurrection?
Not much, I do also recognize the Incarnation, which I believe happened during the feast of Sukkot and the Resurrection, which I believe happened during the feast of First Fruits. The only problems with the other two are some questionable aspects regarding the dates on which they are observed and their use as justification for other issues.
If you know of any controversies regarding the derivation of the date on which Purim is observed or Purim being used as a justification for some other point, this is the place to bring that up. Turnabout is fair play. Go for it. In fact, I would find such a discussion quite stimulating.
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