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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 8:02:10 AM
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Homosexuality, as a sin, hurts the people who practice it as all sin does. I don't think a christian or church should promote or accept such behavior in its members.
A church or christian should be consistant in their views and not support in any form, any sin. That would mean a christian must be against homosexual unions/marriages as to do otherwise would be condoning sin.
Christians have a moral obligation to present this message to the world through the political and legal processes.
On an individual basis, I do believe in loving the person and not the sin. A homosexual or any sinner coming to church must be loved and biblically, love does not deight in sin. We cannot accpet a practicing homosexual into church. We can let them in the door and we can love on them and help them and encourage them from their sin.
If they accept Jesus, then they will recognise they are in sin and will want to change as we all did. I don't think that means as soon as we accept Christ we immediatly stop all sinning but to sin as a christian will create a double minded situation making, said christian, unstable in all he does.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 11:07:42 AM
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My train of thought is that you get GLBTs through the door (of your church community) and you work on it from there. Let them see the truth and then the Spirit work in them. Do you think this is the wrong way to go about it? Obviously each case is different but where do you suggest we start?
Sounds like your "Train" is on Rick Warren's tracks. So are you advocating "seeker friendly" and "friendship" ministry for GLBTs?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 11:07:43 AM
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My train of thought is that you get GLBTs through the door (of your church community) and you work on it from there. Let them see the truth and then the Spirit work in them. Do you think this is the wrong way to go about it? Obviously each case is different but where do you suggest we start?
You develop a personal relationship, a mutual respect. Sometimes we need to realize that the Holy Spirit is using us to do His work.
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The tone of the conversation will differ based on who you talk to. For some, they will respond to that metaphor, favorably. For most, they won't. I prefer a softer tone though I knew the people I was talking to so it definitely helped.
As you said, it's going to be different with each person. Therefore, it comes down to being a student of humanity.
Veritas,
After reading Jack's response, I see no need to to respond to your pointless point about where the confusion is.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 1:33:53 PM
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My train of thought is that you get GLBTs through the door (of your church community) and you work on it from there. Let them see the truth and then the Spirit work in them. Do you think this is the wrong way to go about it? Obviously each case is different but where do you suggest we start?
Sounds like your "Train" is on Rick Warren's tracks. So are you advocating "seeker friendly" and "friendship" ministry for GLBTs?
I'm not 100% sure of Rick's ministry happenings (I should as his church is only an hour away from me). So could you elaborate what you mean?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 1:35:42 PM
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My train of thought is that you get GLBTs through the door (of your church community) and you work on it from there. Let them see the truth and then the Spirit work in them. Do you think this is the wrong way to go about it? Obviously each case is different but where do you suggest we start?
You develop a personal relationship, a mutual respect. Sometimes we need to realize that the Holy Spirit is using us to do His work.
You are very right. When I said that, I didn't necessarily mean you be "hands off". I just know I have a nasty habit of trying to do the Spirit's work, for Him.
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The tone of the conversation will differ based on who you talk to. For some, they will respond to that metaphor, favorably. For most, they won't. I prefer a softer tone though I knew the people I was talking to so it definitely helped.
As you said, it's going to be different with each person. Therefore, it comes down to being a student of humanity.
I prefer the gift of discernment :P
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 2:48:11 PM
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Incest is emotional abuse and bestiality is animal abuse.
While I would put aside bestiality for the moment (as we can’t pretend to know the thoughts of animals on the subject) I would say that one cannot say, adopting the reasoning homosexuals do, that incest is ‘abusive’.
If indeed we are talking about two adult siblings, who are capable of making rational decisions about their relationships, then it would be impossible to argue, based on the arguments of the gay rights movement that they shouldn’t be allowed to marry.
We might argue that such relationships are disturbing or disgusting, but as homosexuals are wont to point out, this response isn’t sufficient to prevent them from getting married. And we could make claims that there are potential biological concerns, or that is is biologically abnormal, but homosexuals have made it clear that biological considerations can be overcome by modern medicine.
Even from a ‘cultural’ perspective sibling intimates could point to the fact that it was not unheard of in times past for certain cultures to allow siblings to marry, much as homosexuals do when we express cultural concerns about their relationships.
So if we adopt the homosexual argument, we really have no argument against allowing adult, consenting siblings to marry – which I think in and of itself is a good reason to reject the homosexual argument.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 3:44:42 PM
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My train of thought is that you get GLBTs through the door (of your church community) and you work on it from there. Let them see the truth and then the Spirit work in them. Do you think this is the wrong way to go about it? Obviously each case is different but where do you suggest we start?
Sounds like your "Train" is on Rick Warren's tracks. So are you advocating "seeker friendly" and "friendship" ministry for GLBTs?
I'm not 100% sure of Rick's ministry happenings (I should as his church is only an hour away from me). So could you elaborate what you mean?
ahhh California, sorry, no need to explain.
Thanks everyone! Drive Safely!
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 4:10:26 PM
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My train of thought is that you get GLBTs through the door (of your church community) and you work on it from there. Let them see the truth and then the Spirit work in them. Do you think this is the wrong way to go about it? Obviously each case is different but where do you suggest we start?
Sounds like your "Train" is on Rick Warren's tracks. So are you advocating "seeker friendly" and "friendship" ministry for GLBTs?
I'm not 100% sure of Rick's ministry happenings (I should as his church is only an hour away from me). So could you elaborate what you mean?
ahhh California, sorry, no need to explain.
Thanks everyone! Drive Safely!
California dreamin' 
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 4:15:53 PM
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Why do you suppose that is? Do you understand the difference between acts between consenting adults and acts where there is no consent?
'Consent' isn't the ultimate determiner of correct human behavior. Just because an adult brother and sister (or I suppose in this case, brother and brother) consent to a physical relationship, it doesn't mean the state should sanction it.
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it doesn't mean the state should sanction it.
That’s the point.. its unconstitutional….And the Gov is playing the devils advocate; and if sin is being sanctioned… then all sin will have the same right... and that is a religious issue defining the opposite of the what founding fathers wrote in the constitutions concerning the establishment of a State religion
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 4:23:15 PM
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While I would put aside bestiality for the moment (as we can’t pretend to know the thoughts of animals on the subject) I would say that one cannot say, adopting the reasoning homosexuals do, that incest is ‘abusive’.
If indeed we are talking about two adult siblings, who are capable of making rational decisions about their relationships, then it would be impossible to argue, based on the arguments of the gay rights movement that they shouldn’t be allowed to marry.
We might argue that such relationships are disturbing or disgusting, but as homosexuals are wont to point out, this response isn’t sufficient to prevent them from getting married. And we could make claims that there are potential biological concerns, or that is is biologically abnormal, but homosexuals have made it clear that biological considerations can be overcome by modern medicine.
Even from a ‘cultural’ perspective sibling intimates could point to the fact that it was not unheard of in times past for certain cultures to allow siblings to marry, much as homosexuals do when we express cultural concerns about their relationships.
So if we adopt the homosexual argument, we really have no argument against allowing adult, consenting siblings to marry – which I think in and of itself is a good reason to reject the homosexual argument.
Personally speaking, I don't think marriage should be an issue of government.
I'm not trying to divert your argument as it is valid. Besides, I've never believed marriage to be a right. It is a privilege. It's more then simple infatuation (what this society calls "love"). Because of that, I voted for prop 8. The overall reason I don't want government in marriage, is that 1. They consistently get things wrong and 2. They abuse what is right. Marriage is no different and it has an added bonus of constantly going through the court system.
Unfortunately, this can't happen. While the state could still have laws that don't recognize marriage and have only civil unions, a court ruled (I think in New Hampshire) that a church that wouldn't perform a ceremony for a gay couple, had to. Government finds a way to control and regulate everything.
I shame to, because I'm sure NAMBLA will get its way before too long, if Jesus doesn't come back soon enough 
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 7:58:59 PM
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I asked why do you suppose the discussion becomes heated when one confuses homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality.
Where's the confusion? They're all forms of sexual deviance. Seems to me the only difference is "consent."
If you don't see that consent makes a big difference, the confusion is yours.
Consent doesn't lessen the deviance of the act.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 8:39:51 PM
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I asked why do you suppose the discussion becomes heated when one confuses homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality.
Where's the confusion? They're all forms of sexual deviance. Seems to me the only difference is "consent."
If you don't see that consent makes a big difference, the confusion is yours.
Consent doesn't lessen the deviance of the act.
No, it doesn't. But it makes a difference in legality.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 8:56:53 PM
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My train of thought is that you get GLBTs through the door (of your church community) and you work on it from there. Let them see the truth and then the Spirit work in them. Do you think this is the wrong way to go about it? Obviously each case is different but where do you suggest we start?
Sounds like your "Train" is on Rick Warren's tracks. So are you advocating "seeker friendly" and "friendship" ministry for GLBTs?
I'm not 100% sure of Rick's ministry happenings (I should as his church is only an hour away from me). So could you elaborate what you mean?
ahhh California, sorry, no need to explain.
Thanks everyone! Drive Safely!
California dreamin'
that reminds me; isn't this the same Rick Warren, user-friendly church that same-sex marriage advocates were protesting, post-Prop 8 election results? sounds like that even in spite of Warren's oft-derided reputation for being too soft on certain theological issues, it doesn't stop some within the immediate, SoCal area to demonstrate (some pun intended) how user-unfriendly it can be--IF user friendly is a connotation for water-down, sometimes doctrinally liberal biblical principles!
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 9:12:05 PM
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But apart from that, I have to take a risk and ask a provocative question: when I was discussing with my therapist about why certain golden state corporations (i.e. Apple Inc., Google) were financially backing the No on Prop 8 efforts, we (cynically) concluded that it's perhaps in part to how much market potential there is invested in the GLBT demographic (since I think it's somewhat, widely accepted that people in this lifestyle tends to be on the upper echelons of the tax bracket, as noted prior). And with this in mind, I can't help but think that if same-sex marriage were to be legitimized across the board, what's our sure bet that gays, lesbians, etc... are the ones that are bound to lose big (I repeat: lose), leaving only the lawyers--especially of the divorce legal industry, to reap obscene benefits of gay marriage.
I mean, for anyone who has ever done serious sociological research, church outreach work with the divorce phenomenon, I don't need to remind anyone of that infamous concept called alimony--and the legal fees gone into paying divorce lawyers for their services. Without sounding facetious (like in a Carlos Mencia kind of way), why is it I find myself interrogating the notion that the fairly well-off reputation of the homosexual community, what sort of messy, but lucrative potential to be found in potential gay divorce court. It might not be so far off to suggest that a gay divorce trial yields more payout than the average, heterosexual divorce trial--and there's A LOT of heterosexual divorces...! 
Any thoughts on this hypothesis?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 9:55:05 PM
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Over on Men's News Daily this has been bandied about for a few years. Along with the effect of lesbians intentionally marrying men so they can turn around sue for divorce and alimony, then marrying a woman and not having to work. They have have some weird ideas that now appear close to occurring.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 10:01:39 PM
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By the way, I found this youtube video and it's helped me describe why I feel prop 8 should be standardized.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR1JViE-LWQ
Thanks for posting this video, Ichiban... very well done!
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 10:24:40 PM
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Any thoughts on this hypothesis?
Interesting and probably not far fetched. Statistics show that 'monogamy' and 'gay marriage' do not go hand-in-hand (See "monogomy" section of this article).
Part of the reason why a lot of the big tech firms are supporting the gay agenda is that many of the tech firms are either founded by or employ a large number of homosexuals. Just look at who forms "The Cabinet" in Time Magazine's article, "The Gay Mafia That's Redefining Liberal Politics". I think it was about a year ago that a co-founder of Microsoft committed suicide and gave $65 millions to gay rights groups in his will (details). Although not a 'techie' so to speak, the found of Kodak was also a homosexual (and also killed himself if I'm not mistaken)... quite a bit of wealth left behind there.
The homosexual agenda and those that back it have plenty of money... married, divorced, or otherwise.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 10:48:56 PM
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I asked why do you suppose the discussion becomes heated when one confuses homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality.
Where's the confusion? They're all forms of sexual deviance. Seems to me the only difference is "consent."
If you don't see that consent makes a big difference, the confusion is yours.
Consent doesn't lessen the deviance of the act.
No, it doesn't. But it makes a difference in legality.
Legality isn't the issue with Zamdad's comment, linking (rightly) sodomy with pedophilia and bestiality as perversions is.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 10:51:01 PM
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Most of us are talking about this in reference to morality, not legality. And for us morality drives legality.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/18/2008 10:59:47 PM
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We might argue that such relationships are disturbing or disgusting, but as homosexuals are wont to point out, this response isn’t sufficient to prevent them from getting married. And we could make claims that there are potential biological concerns, or that is is biologically abnormal, but homosexuals have made it clear that biological considerations can be overcome by modern medicine.
You are right that prohibiting incest has nothing to do with consent. The main biological consideration when it comes to incest is birth abnormalities and all the problems that can accompany a loss of genetic diversity. I'm not sure which "biological concerns" you are referencing when you mention homosexuals overcoming biological considerations with modern medicine, but I don't think medicine could correct most of the problems that can result from incestuous offspring. So there's good reason to limit incest based on this alone.
As to incestuous homosexual couplings, I think it's true that given that they could never produce children, they do not have the same danger of producing inbred offspring. However, I think the argument against incest on the heterosexual side would be sufficient to bar homosexual incestuous couplings as well. Mainly because if homosexuals were allowed to say, marry their brothers, yet heterosexuals were not, that really would be "special rights" as oppossed to "equal rights."
But at any rate, I actually agree with most anti-gay marriage arguments as far as they concern the important role that marriage plays in society when it comes to rearing children and the like. They are right that marriage is not just about love, and it never has been just about love -so I don't think gay marriage proponents strengthen their case much when they cast things strictly in terms of love. Marriage is about love, but it is also (more importantly) about families and rearing children. None of these arguments are very good ones, however, against gay marriage. Indeed, I think they tend to make its case more than refute it. Strengthening marriage as an institution is something that I think everyone could get behind, gay or straight. I don't think prohibiting gay marriage, however, is something that will accomplish this end. If the ultimate goal is strengthening marriage in our country, gay marriage bans are red herrings; symbolic wild goose chases which distract the farmer to the point that he no longer notices the fox sneaking in to have at his hens.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/19/2008 3:03:35 AM
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My train of thought is that you get GLBTs through the door (of your church community) and you work on it from there. Let them see the truth and then the Spirit work in them. Do you think this is the wrong way to go about it? Obviously each case is different but where do you suggest we start?
Sounds like your "Train" is on Rick Warren's tracks. So are you advocating "seeker friendly" and "friendship" ministry for GLBTs?
I'm not 100% sure of Rick's ministry happenings (I should as his church is only an hour away from me). So could you elaborate what you mean?
ahhh California, sorry, no need to explain.
Thanks everyone! Drive Safely!
California dreamin'
that reminds me; isn't this the same Rick Warren, user-friendly church that same-sex marriage advocates were protesting, post-Prop 8 election results? sounds like that even in spite of Warren's oft-derided reputation for being too soft on certain theological issues, it doesn't stop some within the immediate, SoCal area to demonstrate (some pun intended) how user-unfriendly it can be--IF user friendly is a connotation for water-down, sometimes doctrinally liberal biblical principles!
Yeah. He had donated some (by some I mean a lot) of money to the "Yes on 8" campaign.
You're not always going to get a favorable response, obviously. GLBT's feel really betrayed by the public at large and especially in California as they were positive Prop 8 would fail. I'm surprised the violence has been kept to a minimum honestly as I thought a full blown riot would happen though it's still possible, at this rate. Especially if the court rules against them (and hell would freeze over).
Pun made me laugh :P.
Well if he's being protested against he obviously can't be considered and all love no truth believer then, eh? One of Warren's strongest abilities, I feel, is to survey the crowd he is speaking to and speak in a way that the group will understand. I've used the example before that if you go to a different part of the world, what you teach there will differ from another country because what is considered important to them, changes. It's no different here in the United States and we have a wide variety of opinions.
I'm not sure what is so "liberal" about the way Warren preaches. I'm not even sure how we got to a place of "conservative or "liberal" Christianity. I certainly don't refer to myself as either. I'm simply a Christian. We try to put ourselves and others in boxes to somehow make it easier for us to be understood when all that happens is gross misunderstandings of what we really believe.
Anyways, back to your main point: The Bible is divisive because it is truth. GLBT's who are angry in large part because they feel that 1. having only heterosexual marriage is somehow a merging of church and state and 2. the feel marriage is a right. I believe it isn't. The Bible is clear that marriage is a 1. A privilege and 2. Not required. That Truth is hard to swallow for some. The idea that marriage is more then just about "loving each other" is counter-culture and not a popular opinion whether your gay or not.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/19/2008 3:05:03 AM
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I asked why do you suppose the discussion becomes heated when one confuses homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality.
Where's the confusion? They're all forms of sexual deviance. Seems to me the only difference is "consent."
If you don't see that consent makes a big difference, the confusion is yours.
Consent doesn't lessen the deviance of the act.
No, it doesn't. But it makes a difference in legality.
Legality isn't the issue with Zamdad's comment, linking (rightly) sodomy with pedophilia and bestiality as perversions is.
Sorry, I thought we were still talking politics :x
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 11/21/2008 8:45:56 PM
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The quote below is from the group involved: http://www.jhopsf.org/
There is a video here: http://www.vimeo.com/2261292
Considering this it seem's to me...
....that the situation in San Francisco and other places has become like Sodom or worse. God did not send missionaries into Sodom. I think that we need to pray for and try to reach all sinners.. but to go into some places without being sent... is unwise. We have a general command to spread the gospel but we also have warnings about "pearls and swine" and about being as "wise as a serpent".
There is more about this, and some other experiences here: http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=26060&forum=48&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
There is an interesting post on page three from someone called theopenlife about some other experiences in SF.
How can a Christian go to such a place if not either on business or sent there by the Lord? It is obviously not a safe place for a Christian and not a place I would casually go, as on vacation. I would go if the Lord sent me and I would prepare but I question anyone going into Sodom without being sent.
I wonder if judgement isn't near for some.
J
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I went to the Castro (the homosexual district of San Francisco) with JHOPSF (I have been with the Justice House of Prayer San Francisco since April 2008.) like we usually do on Friday nights.
Normally, we sit on 18th and Castro, and someone plays the guitar, and we all worship God. Sometimes a person will yell at us, or maybe a few. Sometimes people will ignore us. Sometimes people will let us pray with them. This time was not a normal night. It was the first time we'd been back in the Castro to do our normal outreach since California Proposition 8, which defined marriage as "one man with one woman" was passed. We played the guitar and sang together and worshiped the Lord. After just singing and worshiping God for a while, Roger decided that we should all hold hands in a circle and continue singing. So we did. Someone (Actually a person who came up and hugged and kissed some of us who he knew from the past) convinced some people that we were there to protest against the no on 8 campaign. Then some guy who was dressed up like one of the sisters (The sisters of perpetual indulgence is a group of men who dress up like nuns and call themselves the spiritual authority of the Castro.) took a curtain-type thing (Which I think they use to curse people) and wrapped it around us. Then a crowd started gathering. We began to sing "Amazing Grace", and basically sang that song the whole night.
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