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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/4/2008 12:06:43 PM
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HisCovenant
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Yeah, you have to stop the sound (without breathing) between those two words when singing and keep your diction clear. There are lots of those in singing. You almost always have to stop the sound before "you" or it will come out funny.
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/4/2008 12:25:28 PM
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It's a more advanced singing technique. I think most people know what you mean (have heard singers say something funny,) although they may not know how to correct it. I classically trained for years and have just figured out the rule in the last year of so.
Most singers are taught to string all their words together, hooking ending consonants to beginning sounds, but that doesn't always work well- namely when the second word begin with a vowel. Then it just sounds like a different word. I had a Minister of Music aquaintance that said when the congregation sang "Lead On O King Eternal" that it sounded like "Lead on O Kinky Turtle."
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/4/2008 1:23:27 PM
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It's a more advanced singing technique. I think most people know what you mean (have heard singers say something funny,) although they may not know how to correct it. I classically trained for years and have just figured out the rule in the last year of so.
Most singers are taught to string all their words together, hooking ending consonants to beginning sounds, but that doesn't always work well- namely when the second word begin with a vowel. Then it just sounds like a different word. I had a Minister of Music aquaintance that said when the congregation sang "Lead On O King Eternal" that it sounded like "Lead on O Kinky Turtle."
I remember our choir director telling us about a song he directed once with a line that said, "Jesus gives me help". He said he had to work hard to get the choir members to put the "p" on the end loud enough so that people could actually hear it!
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/4/2008 1:26:38 PM
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Our Choir Director is always harping on "V's" and "D's."
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/5/2008 9:33:37 AM
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I don't know how "new" it is, but I hate when people say "I called in to work because I was sick" Maybe it's a regional thing because the first few jobs I had in the area where I grew up that was called "calling out" not "calling in" because you were going to be OUT of work that day
ETA: The person that came in to replace the person who was scheduled to be there was "called in"
I have always "called in" when reporting that I would not be there due to illness. I don't know why you would call "out". You are calling "in" to your work place or your school, from your home to inform them that you will not be "in" for work. If you get a call requesting to come to work to replace a co-worker, you are being "called in" . You are being requested to come in to work, so why wouldn't you be "called in"?
I have been in the workforce since 1972, and "calling in" was in common use back then. I don' think it is something new. Maybe it's regional.
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/5/2008 9:39:00 AM
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In that case isn't "calling in" referring to the phone call and not the lack of work? "As in, I called in the winning answer at the radio station."
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/5/2008 9:43:35 AM
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Well, mostly from the position of someone at the job already, if someone calls to say they won't be at work then they have "called out" They called to say they would be out of work. If we call someone and say "John can't be here today can you come to work" we have "called them in" However, even when talking to people we would say "Why did you call out yesterday?" etc. Or, sometimes when I'd come in we'd be told "It's goign to be a long day because we had 3 call outs" It must be a regional thing.
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/5/2008 10:05:37 AM
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I've never heard of a "call out." We would say "on sick leave" or "called in sick." (referring to the phone call coming into the building, not the person being a no show.) You're probably right- it's probably regional.
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/5/2008 12:03:39 PM
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I have always used "Called off sick." (and actually did the past two days and likely will at least one more!!). I have also heard called in sick, but never heard called "out."
I used to be a real stickler for grammar & "proper" speech... but I learned that the fact that it is an area in which I excel does not mean it is an area that is important in the grand scheme of things... There are a lot of other skills much more important in life.
For instance, my mechanically inclined friends don't expect me to know how to repair a motor... or care about how it is done. They don't think less of me because of it, either.
I think a lot of times we can miss the message when we are blinded by the insignificant details. We can learn something from everyone we meet, however they say it, if we aren't too arrogant to listen.
My biggest peeve now, is when people misuse something while sure they are correct in an attempt to sound superior (there are actually some examples in this thread, but I will use one from real life). I had a college professor who went into a long tirade (at least 20 min!) about how people do not properly pronunciate words and it makes them appear ignorant. Unfortunately, she kept saying, proNOUNciate." It took ALL my energy to not ROFL!
Some of what I have seen in this thread as being called "new" I have heard forever... and some of the things I have seen listed as being wrong are not.
And I wanted to point out that for "irregardless" the definition posted said clearly "nonstandard." Lots of terms (ain't, etc) are in the dictionary, it does not make it correct- if it says colloquial, nonstandard, slang, etc. it is "improper" grammar.
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/5/2008 12:17:31 PM
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My biggest peeve now, is when people misuse something while sure they are correct in an attempt to sound superior (there are actually some examples in this thread, but I will use one from real life).
I really hate when I realize I have been doing this, which is more often than I know. I am slowly learning to check things out before I start telling what's wrong with the way everyone else speaks... and to not be such a stickler... like you said, in the grand scheme a lot of it really isn't that important. I'd rather spend my time fighting verbal problems like lying and gossip, but find myself caught up in semantics instead. It's frustrating.
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/13/2008 12:08:14 AM
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"and I'm gonna miss you like a child misses their blanket . . . ."
ooh, that one gets me too!
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I don't like dangling participles ("What'd you do that for?")
me, too! (but i think that is "ending a sentence with a preposition. a dangling participle has to do with splitting up a participial verb used as an adjective) phrase).
on adverbs...DUDE...if it's describing a verb, it almost always has an "ly." so, for example, when speaking grammatically, we say, "don't take it personalLY," not, "don't take it personal."
lets add in "who" and "whom." whom is only used when who/whom is part of a prepositional phrase.
and, i'm probably driving someone crazy with my refusal to use caps today, lol 
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/13/2008 5:26:35 PM
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No, not mad, just wanted to emphasize it in a certain way, with a slight pause before the word. It's hard to explain and I can't even think of an example at the moment, but I know I've done it in the past. Not very often, though. Not even often enough to remember exactly what I did and why! Lol!
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RE: Recently introduced, overused, sometimes grammatica... - 2/13/2008 5:31:39 PM
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I always use these: <> for non-verbal actions. <looks at clock and realizes it's time to leave for church>
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I am glad that someone knew what I was talking about! I really don't know why that drives me so crazy, but I will actually not like a song, just because of that!
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that would be me michelle at least you're using punctuation