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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/23/2008 4:20:13 PM
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tracydolls
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All right, now show me in Scripture where it says the Beast will become the US President.
"""and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."""
What's more powerful than the Us presidency?
With it's 800 military bases, wealth, nukes?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/23/2008 4:55:52 PM
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What's more powerful than the Us presidency?
With it's 800 military bases, wealth, nukes?
Held in check with the senate, congress, supreme court, and other political bodies. The president cannot merely wave his hand and send the nukes flying.
And quite frankly, considering how unpopular the US is pretty much everywhere in the world right now, I do not think the US President is the most powerful man (or woman, though that's looking less and less likely) on earth. If, hypothetically, Obama becomes president, and if he tries to flex his military might, the political backlash from the rest of the world would be so intense, it would destroy him as a figure.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/23/2008 5:20:17 PM
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What's more powerful than the Us presidency?
With it's 800 military bases, wealth, nukes?
Held in check with the senate, congress, supreme court, and other political bodies. The president cannot merely wave his hand and send the nukes flying.
And quite frankly, considering how unpopular the US is pretty much everywhere in the world right now, I do not think the US President is the most powerful man (or woman, though that's looking less and less likely) on earth. If, hypothetically, Obama becomes president, and if he tries to flex his military might, the political backlash from the rest of the world would be so intense, it would destroy him as a figure.
Plus, it also assumes the US will still be a nation at the return of Christ. It takes much bending of scripture to show this nation will be around to play a part in the final days.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/23/2008 11:59:40 PM
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Plus, it also assumes the US will still be a nation at the return of Christ. It takes much bending of scripture to show this nation will be around to play a part in the final days.
We better find a way to eliminate ourselves real quick then.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/24/2008 12:29:54 AM
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Held in check with the senate, congress, supreme court, and other political bodies. The president cannot merely wave his hand and send the nukes flying.
And quite frankly, considering how unpopular the US is pretty much everywhere in the world right now, I do not think the US President is the most powerful man (or woman, though that's looking less and less likely) on earth. If, hypothetically, Obama becomes president, and if he tries to flex his military might, the political backlash from the rest of the world would be so intense, it would destroy him as a figure.
I don't think nukes will fly yet. We are the most powerful country in the world. that was my point.
Let's look at Rev. 13 again.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
What does it say, he will be given 42 months to speak great things.
People will worship him, He blasphemes. He makes war with saints.
I can see that.
BO speaks well, his rallies are going from unknown, nobody to 75,000 in Portland.
I can also see him blaspheme? I really think he is agnostic, he said he was athiest until almost thirty. He hangs around a cult of Moslems. the NOI.
And Christins have blasphemed?
I don't think he will be a very bad president, probaly good, more people fall in love with him.
He recieves a deadly wound. I can see that also. A White Supremacy group?
JFK, Robert, MLK, ABE.
At this point the congress cannot stop anything, it can't top a runaway prez now.
But what if the Senate and Congress become fully democrat in Nov.
get's the majority?
Add Bo in with Oprah, the white guilt, racism, the economy, he's offering hope, change. tickling the ears.
And he's winning with an appearance of that.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/24/2008 12:32:38 AM
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Plus, it also assumes the US will still be a nation at the return of Christ. It takes much bending of scripture to show this nation will be around to play a part in the final days.
To me we fit Babylon,
Babylon does get destroyed, where and when in time, unknown. At least I can't figure a date, don't really try, it's coming soon,I believe.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/24/2008 12:36:09 AM
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We better find a way to eliminate ourselves real quick then.
How about the economy crashes for real instead of this inching we are doing, violent storms,more than we have ever seen, and then a race war because BO gets shot.
Chaos.
Then look at what happens in Rev. 13.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/24/2008 1:01:45 AM
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What does it say, he will be given 42 months to speak great things.
People will worship him, He blasphemes. He makes war with saints.
One problem - that happens after the head wound. So, if he gets shot in the head and recovers, then I'll be willing to admit he is a possibility. Until then, I don't think there's any reason we should think Obama is any more likely than any other political figure in history - especially considering many, many others have blatantly blasphemed God, which Obama has not yet done.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/24/2008 1:27:41 AM
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One problem - that happens after the head wound. So, if he gets shot in the head and recovers, then I'll be willing to admit he is a possibility. Until then, I don't think there's any reason we should think Obama is any more likely than any other political figure in history - especially considering many, many others have blatantly blasphemed God, which Obama has not yet done.
you think if he gets shot in head, then maybe a possibility? Wow, you are a skeptic for real!
Yet, being the keyword. What do you think the "religion" comment was?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/24/2008 1:42:08 AM
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you think if he gets shot in head, then maybe a possibility? Wow, you are a skeptic for real!
Well, I have back-up for my skepticism. 2000-ish years of people who were just as sure as you were that they knew who the Beast was, and were all proven wrong by the great leveler of time. So, I feel pretty confident in my skepticism here. Many, many other world leaders over the years have fit the profile much better than Obama, and none of them were the real deal. I just see no reason to think Obama is any more likely to be the Beast than Hitler (not drawing a comparison of character between Obama and Hitler, of course!), other than that, thankfully, Hitler's dead.
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Yet, being the keyword. What do you think the "religion" comment was?
I think it was presumptuous. Do you know Obama? Do you know his heart? I'm going to guess no. So who are you to say that he will blaspheme Christ?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/24/2008 6:10:17 PM
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Maybe Obama will be the reason we are not around, maybe we be one world goverment type of thing.
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What's more powerful than the Us presidency?
With it's 800 military bases, wealth, nukes?
Held in check with the senate, congress, supreme court, and other political bodies. The president cannot merely wave his hand and send the nukes flying.
And quite frankly, considering how unpopular the US is pretty much everywhere in the world right now, I do not think the US President is the most powerful man (or woman, though that's looking less and less likely) on earth. If, hypothetically, Obama becomes president, and if he tries to flex his military might, the political backlash from the rest of the world would be so intense, it would destroy him as a figure.
Plus, it also assumes the US will still be a nation at the return of Christ. It takes much bending of scripture to show this nation will be around to play a part in the final days.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/24/2008 6:13:58 PM
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What does it say, he will be given 42 months to speak great things.
People will worship him, He blasphemes. He makes war with saints.
One problem - that happens after the head wound. So, if he gets shot in the head and recovers, then I'll be willing to admit he is a possibility. Until then, I don't think there's any reason we should think Obama is any more likely than any other political figure in history - especially considering many, many others have blatantly blasphemed God, which Obama has not yet done.
Maybe it's Teddy Kennedy! He's got a "head wound"!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/31/2008 8:08:34 AM
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I am totally amazed that people fawn all over Obama. What does he offer America? Change? What kind of change, Barack? He says nothing. He does say a lot ... 57 states, honoring the fallen who are sitting in the audience memorial day speech. I don't think he's the beast. I think if he does get the White House that he'll usher us into the North American Union. I'm afraid of what he will do if elected. He stated in his book that he would stand with the Muslims. Do you want him in our White House? People have totally lost their minds! Sad ....
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/31/2008 8:25:20 PM
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wow are you guys serious??? at least he's not a pathalogical liar like hillary is! her being under spiper fire was a bold face lie! and you know what, obama has been the only canidate to openly to about jesus and his christainty and you guys say he's the anti-christ what...
may God forgive you guys for making those evil and mean comments about a guy who has showed more christain characteristics than any other canidates.
i mean he could have really let clinton have there's so much about clinton that he did'n bring up its not even funny but instead, he took the high road while clinton said things that were really demeaning.
and this is the only time in history that a prseident has stated that he would get the public involved with public affairs so we wont be in the dark like the guy you guys voted for (bush) left us in we will finally have a voice!!! rather u vote for him or not its not up to you god is the one who pics the president! so it looks like to me mccain is the one you guys want lol
well get ready for war world three!!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/31/2008 9:13:50 PM
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wow are you guys serious??? at least he's not a pathalogical liar like hillary is! her being under spiper fire was a bold face lie! and you know what, obama has been the only canidate to openly to about jesus and his christainty and you guys say he's the anti-christ what...
may God forgive you guys for making those evil and mean comments about a guy who has showed more christain characteristics than any other canidates.
i mean he could have really let clinton have there's so much about clinton that he did'n bring up its not even funny but instead, he took the high road while clinton said things that were really demeaning.
and this is the only time in history that a prseident has stated that he would get the public involved with public affairs so we wont be in the dark like the guy you guys voted for (bush) left us in we will finally have a voice!!! rather u vote for him or not its not up to you god is the one who pics the president! so it looks like to me mccain is the one you guys want lol
well get ready for war world three!!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/31/2008 9:40:30 PM
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The guy loves abortions, straight through all nine months of pregnancy, and even after. Absolutely gets weak in the knees over them (as do most Dems). If that's "Christlike", then I'm a monkey's uncle.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/31/2008 9:54:05 PM
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im not decieved yur decieved, honestly do you think he's racist? do you think he feels the same way his pastor feels? do you really think that obama hates america?
the answer should be no! for one his mother is white its not like he was raised around hatefull people secondly you cannot stick his pastors views on him thats not fair and honestly i dont think his pastor was being rascist or hate's america i believe what he was trying to say was america had that coming for the millions of people she's murdered and enslaved
you know preacher's also say that america had it coming because of the gays and lesbians so is that being racist?? no!now i dont agree on what his pastor said but i understand where he's coming from
obama is also highy intelligent, nice looking, friendly, and inspiring!
and i think he would be the better canidate for world peace because the other country's love obama and they woud be more receptive to him than mccain and hillary! by the way, how old is mccain again???
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/31/2008 10:09:38 PM
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Wow…you’re right, he must be the messiah.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/31/2008 10:31:53 PM
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/31/2008 10:49:40 PM
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Whatever you get you deserve it for believing that ego-head case Hagee. 
This was also a rather ungodly post. I disagree with Hagee's eschatological positions, and I know he has made some dogmatic statements directed in a less then godly manner at those who hold contrary views, but we get no points with Jesus when we hit back in such a manner. If you have a criticism, bring it with humility. If all you want to do is rail on someone, concider yourself lest you be tempted.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 5/31/2008 10:57:38 PM
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and i think he would be the better canidate for world peace because the other country's love obama and they woud be more receptive to him than mccain and hillary!
A better candidate for world peace? World peace? When they say peace and safety, then comes sudden destruction. There is only one candidate who will bring world peace...the antichrist. That is the only world peace the bible even speaks of. Wars and rumers of wars until he brings world peace.
And of course, the antichrist may not rise out of America. America may not even exist when the antichrist rises to power. We are brand new on the world scene (only a couple centuries old) and are increadibly weakened by immorality.
What nation is more powerful then the US? That is easy. The Vatican, by many times over. They could easily buy as many armies as they want to with their vast wealth.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 1:49:24 AM
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sorry for getting off the topic i didn't read all of the title that was posted but what i wanna say is i definitely don't think obama is the Antichrist or the beast i haven't read in the bible that says that the Antichrist was going to be black matter of fact, he's supposed to be coming out of the European union like Austria or Romain so where are you guys gettin that obama is the anti Christ???
and you know your right when world peace is said to be achieved this is when all hell lets loose but what would you rather have, someone who's trying to keep the peace or someone who's talkin about keepin us in iraq for a hundred years??
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 6/1/2008 1:56:31 AM
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i haven't read in the bible that says that the Antichrist was going to be black matter of fact, he's supposed to be coming out of the European union like Austria or Romain so where are you guys gettin that obama is the anti Christ???
OK, just so you know, I'm not defending the "Obama is the beast" view. Personally, I think it's pretty silly. But I have to wonder, 1, where are you getting anyone here saying that Obama being black is a sign of his "beast-ness", and 2, where in Scripture does it mention the European Union, Austria or Romania in relation to the Beast?
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