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RE: 'Fireproof" - 8/31/2008 9:28:24 PM
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If this were food, there's nothing wrong with a big thick greasy burger now and then, but don't mistake it for fine french cuisine.
I'm hungry.... 
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/2/2008 2:20:00 PM
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I was recommended to go see it as "it's a film for a couples to see".
I'll probably go see it. Based off the trailer, it looks decent, at the very least.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/3/2008 2:02:59 PM
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I'm not sure why I'm defending this so much 
You're right...it's bad acting plain and simple
I just tire of the artsy crowd of Christians snubbing their noses at other Christians making an effort to help one another. If the movie were more obscure and music-video oriented...it might be better received, since there would be less acting and more entertainment.
Sorry to be such a pain about this. 
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/3/2008 3:04:12 PM
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If the movie were more obscure and music-video oriented...it might be better received, since there would be less acting and more entertainment.
Actually, if the movie is good, it would be better received. But for me, it's gonna take a lot more than the word of the FLYWHEEL/FACING THE GIANTS oh-wow-these-are-such-anointed-movies! crowd to convince me to give up my money and two hours of my life to watch....
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/3/2008 3:09:56 PM
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I have some serious reservations about the movie based on the information on the website. I, too, was 'invited' to a special prescreening. It seemed to be stereotypical and reflecting the concepts in "Love and Respect." (which I did read and did not find helpful)
I think that sometimes people just want a formula to 'fix' their relationships that makes it easy.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/3/2008 4:38:09 PM
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If the movie were more obscure and music-video oriented...it might be better received, since there would be less acting and more entertainment.
Actually, if the movie is good, it would be better received. But for me, it's gonna take a lot more than the word of the FLYWHEEL/FACING THE GIANTS oh-wow-these-are-such-anointed-movies! crowd to convince me to give up my money and two hours of my life to watch....
all right...done
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/4/2008 1:20:47 PM
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I have some serious reservations about the movie based on the information on the website. I, too, was 'invited' to a special prescreening. It seemed to be stereotypical and reflecting the concepts in "Love and Respect." (which I did read and did not find helpful)
I think that sometimes people just want a formula to 'fix' their relationships that makes it easy.
I am not sure how stereotypical Love and Respect principles can be when we never see them in Hollywood movies or tv shows.
I am always suprised that when a potentially offensive Hollywood movie looms on the horizon, the mantra is 'don't judge until you see it' - and yet movies with Christian themes are dismissed before they open - often by Christians!
Can't figure out why this is.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/5/2008 1:56:05 PM
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My husband and I went to a screening of the movie last night. Was there bad acting? yes. It was a good movie though. I wouldn't say couples only. I want my daughter, who is 19, to see it. I think it's a fairly good reflection of how things can go wrong if you're not paying attention. And an excellant way to get back.
"I think that sometimes people just want a formula to 'fix' their relationships that makes it easy."
If you watch the movie you'll see it's not really a formula. It's a change in a person. Most of the time, as you'll see in the movie, one doesn't know what to do when faced with a situation that is completely out of one's control. Some people NEED steps to go through. I'm not sure why we are that way. The 'formula', as you'll see is definitely not easy.
Again, I think it was a good movie that I didn't have to look away, or close my ears. I prefer to watch bad acting than have to try to forget the nude scene or erase the words that i just heard. Ya know, Garbage in Garbage out.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/9/2008 6:25:37 PM
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Finally a movie that doesn't blaspheme God's name and gives God all the glory. I can finally return to the theater and not have to walk out for blaspheming my Fathers name.
This movie isn't for critics. Critics will bash anything that is christian oriented because we are not of this world. It will come across as preachy to the world and critics. I believe this movie isn't for them. It's directed towards those who are having a failing marriage and it seems to be a huge problem within the christian family. This needs to be addressed and am glad it is.
Watch some of the behind scenes...This is an independent project by a church that doesn't have the millions of dollars of budget that hollywood has.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/9/2008 7:37:30 PM
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Critics will bash anything that is christian oriented because we are not of this world.
Then explain the glowing reviews given to films like THE PASSION or TEN COMMANDMENTS or GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD.....
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/9/2008 9:15:32 PM
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Then explain the glowing reviews given to films like THE PASSION or TEN COMMANDMENTS or GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD.....
Passion of the Christ recieved a 50% rating. Not so glowing in its reviews. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/passion_of_the_christ/
The greatest story ever told did far worst. 35%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/greatest_story_ever_told/
Only the ten commandments received over 90% with critics and this was way back in the 50's when a culture was more acceptable to Christianity and Hollywood didn't influence the masses. Totally different time period.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 8:24:40 AM
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This movie isn't for critics. Critics will bash anything that is christian oriented because we are not of this world.
If Christians keep believing this, then the Christian entertainment industry will never progress. Stop fooling yourself.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 8:59:11 AM
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Created by the same people as 'Facing the Giants', I cannot WAIT to see Fireproof. Check it out........
FIREPROOF: Opening September 26!
By the same people as "Facing the Giants"???
I'll wait for the DVD. And, perhaps see it then.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 9:05:47 AM
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Passion of the Christ recieved a 50% rating.
Passion got an "A" grade from the Dallas Morning News.
How are they supposed to be "bashing" anything "Christian"?
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Only the ten commandments received over 90% with critics and this was way back in the 50's when a culture was more acceptable to Christianity and Hollywood didn't influence the masses. Totally different time period.
Two other differences with respect to "10 Commandments"...
First, for the time period, the "10 commandments" was actually a WELL MADE film!
Secondly, it was 1956. The latter years of the McCarthy era. I would not have wanted to be a newspaper writer, criticizing a 'Christian' film TOO MUCH....the government might have come after me. Everyone followed "lock step" and did what they thought was in their own best interest.....
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 3:11:18 PM
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If Christians keep believing this, then the Christian entertainment industry will never progress. Stop fooling yourself.
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This is a small church production with a small budget. Most of the actors are church volunteers,save for a few. To compare this movie to any Hollywood movie with more then a $500,000 budget is unfair. A lot of reviews from people who have seen it at screenings (avg Joe person) have said that the storyline is very well written. Some of the acting isn't the best but the plot is well written. This is only a step up for a very small production with very limited amounts of money.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 3:26:17 PM
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Lets look at the movie, "Expelled." It was a well produced documentary exposing the colleges on evolution. This movie was harshly critiqued by most if not all critics because of its tone on creationism (how dare anyone question darwinism). If it was a Michael Moore film that fit their political agenda it would of been highly praised.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 3:52:13 PM
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This is a small church production with a small budget. Most of the actors are church volunteers,save for a few.
Congratualtions, you just described ALL of the Sherwood films, as well as the reason I for one will not see them.
I refuse to accept mediocrity in the name of the Lord. And I can guarantee that the world we wish so desperately to reach will yawn and ignore it as well...
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 4:00:23 PM
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Lets look at the movie, "Expelled." It was a well produced documentary exposing the colleges on evolution. This movie was harshly critiqued by most if not all critics because of its tone on creationism (how dare anyone question darwinism). If it was a Michael Moore film that fit their political agenda it would of been highly praised.
was "expelled' REALLY "well produced and "great"....or was it the movie's agenda, that you agreed with, that made it "great".....
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 4:02:13 PM
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To compare this movie to any Hollywood movie with more then a $500,000 budget is unfair.
then, having to pay $10 a pop to go see it (like "real", high-quality movies), would be "unfair", as well....
i''ll just wait to see it on DVD....which is probably how movies of this caliber should be released to begin with....."Direct to DVD".....
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 9:14:12 PM
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To compare this movie to any Hollywood movie with more then a $500,000 budget is unfair.
then, having to pay $10 a pop to go see it (like "real", high-quality movies), would be "unfair", as well....
i''ll just wait to see it on DVD....which is probably how movies of this caliber should be released to begin with....."Direct to DVD".....
No one is stopping you from doing that. I think its premature to jump on a film if you haven't seen it yet. Personally, I'd rather pay $10 bucks for a movie where the director and actors hearts are for reaching the lost and helping marriage problems then a huge Hollywood production that blasphemes God's name every 5 minutes.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/10/2008 9:17:14 PM
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Propitiation
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This is a small church production with a small budget. Most of the actors are church volunteers,save for a few.
Congratualtions, you just described ALL of the Sherwood films, as well as the reason I for one will not see them.
I refuse to accept mediocrity in the name of the Lord. And I can guarantee that the world we wish so desperately to reach will yawn and ignore it as well...
So they should stop making movies because they don't have a huge Hollywood budget up front? Between flywheel and facing the giants I've seen huge improvements in character dialogue and story plot. Maybe this movie is another step up. Not every director/ story writer hit a grand slam every time up to bat.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:15:12 AM
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Go watch Troll II before you call the actors of these movies "bad".
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 9:19:39 AM
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To compare this movie to any Hollywood movie with more then a $500,000 budget is unfair.
then, having to pay $10 a pop to go see it (like "real", high-quality movies), would be "unfair", as well....
i''ll just wait to see it on DVD....which is probably how movies of this caliber should be released to begin with....."Direct to DVD".....
No one is stopping you from doing that. I think its premature to jump on a film if you haven't seen it yet. Personally, I'd rather pay $10 bucks for a movie where the director and actors hearts are for reaching the lost and helping marriage problems then a huge Hollywood production that blasphemes God's name every 5 minutes.
I can name COUNTLESS 'high quality' hollywood movies that I would pay to go see in the theatres.....that do NOT "blaspheme" God's name "every 5 minutes"....but, are certainly above the "amateur" level of these movies. (their only "problem" is that they aren't "labeled" or "classified" as a "Christian" film!)....
The two musicals produced by our children's choir (grades 1-6) at church each year are of EQUAL caliber to the films I have seen from Sherwood, thus far.....
Sure...I haven't seen it yet....but, as someone who has seen the other two, my expectations for this, are fairly low, as well. When one sees enough movies, you get to know which actors and/or directors are worth seeing (and paying $10 for), and which ones are worth waiting for DVD....and, which ones aren't worth watching at all.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 9:33:33 AM
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Do you ever feel really alone? I'm sitting in choir rehearsal at my church last night, and the subject of this movie was brought up. All it took was somebody saying that it was "from the same folks who made FACING THE GIANTS and the whole choir went into near fits of "oohs" and "aahs".
It was even more funny to hear folks gushing over the fact that Kirk Cameron is in this film. Let's face it, Kirk Cameron is a Hollywood has been, and any mainstream film that attempted to cash in on his name as some kind of "star power" would be laughed out of theatres. I'm glad that he is indeeed born again, but the only people that he has any box office value with is the obviously less demanding Christian audience.
But if FTG was any indication, FIREPROOF will debut in about 500 theatres, make about $10 million (if it duplicates GIANTS' box office take), and Christians everywhere will herald it's great "success (never mind the fact that a $10 million gross would get any real filmmaker escorted off the studio lot in no time flat).
And yes, I know I'm harsh, but Christian music went through it's own growing pains before the artists and producers finally stepped up and started doing something that could compete with secular offerings. The Christian film industry needs a similar kick in the pants....
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 9:53:49 AM
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My problem with these kind of movies is that it is written and made directly only for Christians (thank God that the bible is written for everybody) and I'm not sure it will reach the unsaved which I think should be the main goal of every believers including film makers. I'm one of those who turned off Facing the Giants after about 20 minutes of watching it....why???- because I've seen and heard that message before. It all falls down on a question how will Christian film makers make movies that will reach out to people. The Passion was able to do that. It brought people to the theaters - Christians and non Christians and it brought people back to church and some for the very first time and we are still talking about the movie after a few years.
Tafkam-- I know how you feel. I have a family member who everytime we go to their church they talk about FTG and how it is the best movie ever made and the funny thing is that this family member has given us 3 FTG DVDs- hubby got 2 (for his 2 birthdays) and 1 on my last birthday. 'not sure if they forgot that they already gave us one DVD or they want to support the sales of the DVD.
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