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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:17:34 PM
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Propitiation
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But if FTG was any indication, FIREPROOF will debut in about 500 theatres, make about $10 million (if it duplicates GIANTS' box office take), and Christians everywhere will herald it's great "success (never mind the fact that a $10 million gross would get any real filmmaker escorted off the studio lot in no time flat).
That's a small success money wise for an independent film. A $500,000 budget set to 500 theaters with a 2 week theater expiration time. That 10 million is a nice little net gain for any movie production company. If this was a guaranteed formula more movie productions would be jumping on the bandwagon cashing in on that net gain.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:21:00 PM
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The Passion was able to do that. It brought people to the theaters - Christians and non Christians and it brought people back to church and some for the very first time and we are still talking about the movie after a few years.
I hate to say it but a lot of its success was due to Mel Gibson and all the controversy surrounding it. The pacing of the film was horrible from a directorial stand point.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:25:55 PM
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The Passion was able to do that. It brought people to the theaters - Christians and non Christians and it brought people back to church and some for the very first time and we are still talking about the movie after a few years.
I hate to say it but a lot of its success was due to Mel Gibson and all the controversy surrounding it. The pacing of the film was horrible from a directorial stand point.
But inspite of the controversy and Mel Gibson, it brought a lot of people to Christ which is hard to ignore.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:26:14 PM
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 maybe if they did FP in a foreign language
hmmm...that might work cause everyone loves a foreign film 
they always seem so much better for some reason
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:26:56 PM
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Amen I can agree with you there jodavi.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:27:52 PM
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But inspite of the controversy and Mel Gibson, it brought a lot of people to Christ which is hard to ignore.
really? I didn't know that.
I guess I just don't know any of them, but that is interesting aside from all this.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:29:59 PM
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It'll be interesting to see the critiques and break downs once everyone has seen the movie. Should be fun to discuss.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:33:36 PM
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The critiques and breakdowns have already happened based on the production company, so we really don't have to wait...
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/11/2008 4:35:40 PM
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I hate to say it but a lot of its success was due to Mel Gibson and all the controversy surrounding it. The pacing of the film was horrible from a directorial stand point.
Actually it was a success because it was a well made film that appealed to Chritians and for some odd reason, non-Christian. Maybe it was the controversy, maybe Mel Gibson's star power....but whatever it was, it worked.
In addition, as someone who looks at who makes a film, (I'm a geek, I read credits!), there are certain directors out there that, based on previous experience, I avoid, because I know their work will be lacking. As much as I think of Alex Kendrick personally, I simply cannot support his cinematic endeavors because they are so painful to sit through.
Maybe when Kendrick breaks from the church scene, gets decent backing by a studio with resources, and is able to actually hire actors and crew instead of soliciting church members for talent, gets a real producer (not his brother, but someone who will actually say "no, this isn't working"), perhaps a co-writer that can help flesh out ideas and make them swim in deeper water....then perhaps we'll start to see something that is worth watching....
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/13/2008 6:53:00 PM
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Actually, if the movie is good, it would be better received. But for me, it's gonna take a lot more than the word of the FLYWHEEL/FACING THE GIANTS oh-wow-these-are-such-anointed-movies! crowd to convince me to give up my money and two hours of my life to watch....
I'm sure you've spent lots of money and hours on a lot less worth-while movies. You want big budget special effects and Oscar-worthy performances but poo poo something that may actually have something to say and be uplifting. Your attitude about this movie is really shocking and, frankly, maybe a little backwards.
Philippians 4:8 KJV
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Romans 12:2 NAS
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
Not much "renewing of your mind" happening in "Bangkok Dangerous" or "The Dark Knight"...what exactly does your strong opinion on this conform to, do you think?
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It was even more funny to hear folks gushing over the fact that Kirk Cameron is in this film. Let's face it, Kirk Cameron is a Hollywood has been, and any mainstream film that attempted to cash in on his name as some kind of "star power" would be laughed out of theatres. I'm glad that he is indeeed born again, but the only people that he has any box office value with is the obviously less demanding Christian audience.
Sorry, I like Kirk Cameron - probably a nostalgic thing. Just being honest. He's less of a "has been" than he's an "almost was" or "maybe could've been" big name actor - if he hadn't chosen instead to not be conformed to this world/Hollywood!
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And yes, I know I'm harsh, but Christian music went through it's own growing pains before the artists and producers finally stepped up and started doing something that could compete with secular offerings. The Christian film industry needs a similar kick in the pants....
Pun unintended? 
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good movie - I even enjoy a mindless stupid movie from time to time and occassionally the car-chase shoot-em-up nonsense dh drags me to holds my interest. We have to be able to keep this stuff in perspective, though. I saw "Facing the Giants" and enjoyed it for what it was - and I appreciate what these people are trying to do. I'm very much looking forward to this movie.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/14/2008 12:24:51 AM
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I have some serious reservations about the movie based on the information on the website. I, too, was 'invited' to a special prescreening. It seemed to be stereotypical and reflecting the concepts in "Love and Respect." (which I did read and did not find helpful)
I think that sometimes people just want a formula to 'fix' their relationships that makes it easy.
I am not sure how stereotypical Love and Respect principles can be when we never see them in Hollywood movies or tv shows.
I am always suprised that when a potentially offensive Hollywood movie looms on the horizon, the mantra is 'don't judge until you see it' - and yet movies with Christian themes are dismissed before they open - often by Christians!
Can't figure out why this is.
I think it is stereotypical of the 'Christian' self-help marriage books. All men are certain ways and all women are certain ways. It isn't 'hollywood movies or tv shows' that have these stereotypes, but the Christian culture.
I have seen the trailers on the website as well as read Love and Respect and have training in the 'recommended' marital counseling.
I do have some serious reservations about the 'movie' from what I have seen/read/studied.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/15/2008 10:05:09 AM
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Sorry, I like Kirk Cameron - probably a nostalgic thing. Just being honest. He's less of a "has been" than he's an "almost was" or "maybe could've been" big name actor - if he hadn't chosen instead to not be conformed to this world/Hollywood!
he COULD have been a "big name" actor.....IF he had the ABILITY to act!...
A couple of additional points:
Regarding seeing the movie, and RAVING about the movie, due to JUST it's content and 'message' (while totally ignoring it's other shortcomings).....
would you walk into a Christian Bookstore....and pay $15-$18 for a CD of music from a elementary/middle school orchestra recording? Sure, you might hear many "missed notes", out of tune instruments, and "missed cues", and the rhythm is off in many places....but, the music is from some Christian orchestra, and ALL of the music they play is "Christian" music....all the songs you typically like to hear.....and, all with a "good message"....and, you know, it's just someone who got together the best people he could, under the budget constraints that he had.....and, they really mean well....(and, ignore the critics of such a performance....as those can be dismissed as being 'anti christian')
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/15/2008 11:43:30 AM
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I have seen the trailers on the website as well as read Love and Respect and have training in the 'recommended' marital counseling.
I do have some serious reservations about the 'movie' from what I have seen/read/studied.
We've seen the movie. Aside from production quality - that argument will go on forever.
We will be using this movie as a vivid example in some counseling for many couples (we're biblical counselors as well.) There are tons of stand alone examples (clips) that when seen...would actually shift someone's perception of themselves or a situation.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/15/2008 12:26:34 PM
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I have seen the trailers on the website as well as read Love and Respect and have training in the 'recommended' marital counseling.
I do have some serious reservations about the 'movie' from what I have seen/read/studied.
We've seen the movie. Aside from production quality - that argument will go on forever.
We will be using this movie as a vivid example in some counseling for many couples (we're biblical counselors as well.) There are tons of stand alone examples (clips) that when seen...would actually shift someone's perception of themselves or a situation.
Speaking from the "marital counseling" aspect of it....
Our church has an active, and effective marriage counseling ministry (Marriage Mentors)....and, from what I understand, they are very successful in what they do.
For this movie, that ministry has "bought out" several showings of the movie on Saturday the 27...and, then, contacted the leadership of our Sunday School Class (a Married Adult II class...which are married adults...roughly ages 30ish-40ish).....and, said to make that evening a "class outing", since for ANY and ALL in class who want to come....the tickets for the movie will be provided, at no charge, by "Marriage Mentors"...
anyone seeking to start a marriage counseling ministry? here's the link to ours: www.marriagementors.org
So, it looks like we're going to go see it.....no cost to us......so, why not? (except for popcorn and "Juju Fruits")....
so, as for me....no more comments on the movie, until after i've seen it...then, as soon as I can afterward, I'll have a full, honest and truthful review.....
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/17/2008 8:14:06 AM
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I am REALLY LOOKING FORWARD to seeing this movie and using it in small group study with married couples.
For the critics who are complaining about the "quality" why not put your money where your mouth is and send donations to the Sherwood church producing such movies. Who knows maybe your money may be enough to bring improvements.
I don't think couples in distress care so much about perfection. They are looking for a message of hope and I think both "Facing the Giants" and "Fireproof" offers hope.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/17/2008 10:12:11 AM
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But as has already been stated...what kind of hope does a movie like FTG offer? A most unrealistic one.
God is not some genie in a bottle waiting to be rubbed so he can pop out and grant all your wishes.
The lousy production values of the Sherwood movies are only a part of the problem. Their inherent message is much more dangerous.
If I saw an honest message being delivered in these films, then, yes, I might be willing to contribute funds to help them achieve a bigger budget. But from what I have seen, not a chance.
Oh, and by the way, "real" movies and "real" filmmakers would not look for donations to craft the budget for their films, somebody would see the potential value of the project and fund it through a studio or production company...I'm not sayig Sherwood does this, just responding to your suggestion of sending money...
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/17/2008 1:55:45 PM
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But as has already been stated...what kind of hope does a movie like FTG offer? A most unrealistic one.
God is not some genie in a bottle waiting to be rubbed so he can pop out and grant all your wishes.
If God can speak to someone through a donkey then I am quite sure even though it may not be you or someone else reading this forum, there is someone God can, and will speak to through this movie.
The Holy Spirit doesn't care about critics. I have left movies early because I didn't like them, but later have heard others share about how they were blessed through it..
Movies are just like songs, concerts, and other forms of entertainment...some are going to like it and some are not. If a soul is reached then all glory goes to God.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/17/2008 3:25:21 PM
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Sorry, I like Kirk Cameron - probably a nostalgic thing. Just being honest. He's less of a "has been" than he's an "almost was" or "maybe could've been" big name actor - if he hadn't chosen instead to not be conformed to this world/Hollywood!
he COULD have been a "big name" actor.....IF he had the ABILITY to act!...
Kernsfamily, are you starting acting lessons?
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/17/2008 5:40:27 PM
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Sorry, I like Kirk Cameron - probably a nostalgic thing. Just being honest. He's less of a "has been" than he's an "almost was" or "maybe could've been" big name actor - if he hadn't chosen instead to not be conformed to this world/Hollywood!
he COULD have been a "big name" actor.....IF he had the ABILITY to act!...
Kernsfamily, are you starting acting lessons?
does one have to be a musician to recognize when an orchestra is playing "out of tune" and "off key"?
does one have to be a photographer to recognize when a photo is out of focus....and/or over-exposed?
same thing here....whether iam starting acting lessons or not (the very best actors don't need them)....it doesn't take a genius (or someone who is "trained" to be an actor) to discern between good acting and not-so-good acting....
but, if someone wants to proclaim Kirk Cameron as a "good actor" (based on the content of the material alone, perhaps).....then, so be it. Go right ahead.
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/18/2008 1:32:42 PM
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So, it looks like we're going to go see it.....no cost to us......so, why not? (except for popcorn and "Juju Fruits")....
popcorn and milk duds for me
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/21/2008 3:25:34 PM
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i am really looking forward to seeing the fireproof movie, and i also really enjoyed the passion of the Christ. i love good Christian movies, even though they may lack a little bit on the production end of things, just because of the great message of hope from God's word. i also loved facing the giants, and believe that fireproof will be a success as well. sure, Christian movies aren't as great as their hollywood counterparts in regards to quality, but we've definitely come a loooong way from where we were before, amen?
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RE: 'Fireproof" - 9/22/2008 10:57:25 AM
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Christian movies aren't as great as their hollywood counterparts in regards to quality, but we've definitely come a loooong way from where we were before, amen? When you're at the bottom of the well there's nowhere to go but up. Still have an even lllloooonnngggerrrr way to go.
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