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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 1/30/2010 4:21:26 PM
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tsnody2001
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The whole "War on Terror(ism)" is a farce.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 1/30/2010 6:57:06 PM
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The whole "War on Terror(ism)" is a farce.
Would you care to expand on that?
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/17/2010 3:17:26 PM
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That's because he's in Pakistan.
The norm is Afghanistan is to give miranda and not question, so why not Pakistan?
Are they going to ship him to Gitmo, or try him in NYC?
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/17/2010 3:21:46 PM
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That's because he's in Pakistan.
The norm is Afghanistan is to give miranda and not question, so why not Pakistan?
Are they going to ship him to Gitmo, or try him in NYC?
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He is in Pakistan. If we do something novel, like respect another country's sovereignty, he can stay there and folks that support torture can be happy.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/18/2010 8:33:06 PM
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Pakistan has reportedly detained two more top Afghan Taliban commanders, building on its arrest of the Taliban's No. 2 man, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, earlier this month. The latest arrests offer further evidence that Islamabad has decided to seriously pressure Afghan insurgents inside its borders.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2010/0218/Pakistan-arrests-more-Afghan-Taliban.-Why-the-about-face
So why are the Pakinstanis finally (after 8 plus years) acting now?
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/19/2010 12:02:10 AM
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wing2000
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Final agreement on the Karachi operation came during the last week of January, with the intercept system up and running by the first week of February.
"The ISI and the CIA are working together, with the Americans providing actionable intelligence and the Pakistanis acting together with them" to track down the insurgent leaders, a Pakistani official said, referring to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence directorate.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/19/2010 7:24:30 AM
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So why are the Pakinstanis finally (after 8 plus years) acting now?
I am guessing because the insurgents being pushed inside of Pakistan are making it too costly for Islamabad to simply ignore them.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/19/2010 9:05:05 AM
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So why are the Pakinstanis finally (after 8 plus years) acting now?
I am guessing because the insurgents being pushed inside of Pakistan are making it too costly for Islamabad to simply ignore them.
I do believe that is a good assessment.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/19/2010 10:28:07 AM
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So why are the Pakinstanis finally (after 8 plus years) acting now?
I am guessing because the insurgents being pushed inside of Pakistan are making it too costly for Islamabad to simply ignore them.
I do believe that is a good assessment.
Thanks
RC
I heard an interview on NPR with Pakistani journalist who said the 2011 US pullout date has caused Pakistan to see the danger in not addressing the issue. There is becoming a distinction between "good" Taliban (those willing to negotiate) and "bad" Taliban (those unwilling).
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/20/2010 2:06:18 AM
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We hear from friends at the front that most of our federal combat personnel are trying hard to re-arm themselves with serious smallarms - specifically the 1911 and the M14. This seems a good idea, of course, but difficult of execution because of ammunition supply, among other things. Still there is a prominent faction in high places which maintains that shooting has no real place in modern war, which is all conducted by gadgetry. This may be so, but somehow I doubt it. A good many family members are floating around the world in hazardous duty conditions and they seem to think that shooting does indeed have a place. The enemy, of course, has gone largely to the rocket-propelled grenade (RPG). Oddly enough the US ordnance people have never shown any interest in that device, despite its obvious advantages to an army of klutzes. The RPG is cheap, effective, universally obtainable, and you do not have to be any good to use it. It may be considered to be the ideal proletarian weapon. It would be nice to think that we have not come to that just yet. - Gunsite Gossip
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/20/2010 9:11:10 AM
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We hear from friends at the front that most of our federal combat personnel are trying hard to re-arm themselves with serious smallarms - specifically the 1911 and the M14. This seems a good idea, of course, but difficult of execution because of ammunition supply, among other things. Still there is a prominent faction in high places which maintains that shooting has no real place in modern war, which is all conducted by gadgetry. This may be so, but somehow I doubt it. A good many family members are floating around the world in hazardous duty conditions and they seem to think that shooting does indeed have a place. The enemy, of course, has gone largely to the rocket-propelled grenade (RPG). Oddly enough the US ordnance people have never shown any interest in that device, despite its obvious advantages to an army of klutzes. The RPG is cheap, effective, universally obtainable, and you do not have to be any good to use it. It may be considered to be the ideal proletarian weapon. It would be nice to think that we have not come to that just yet. - Gunsite Gossip
I prefer the LAW over the RPG for the accuracy advantage.
I would think that the reason that type of weapon isn't used more by our troops is the Politically Correct war that is trying to be waged.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/20/2010 10:54:02 AM
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Dutch government collapses over Afghan mission
Arthur Max - Associated Press Writer - 2/20/2010 7:05:00 AM
AMSTERDAM - The Dutch coalition government collapsed Saturday over whether to extend the country's military mission in Afghanistan, leaving the future of its 1,600 soldiers fighting there uncertain. An early election is now expected.
Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende announced that the second largest party in his three-party alliance is quitting, ending what had always been an uneasy partnership.
"Where there is no trust, it is difficult to work together. There is no road along which this cabinet can go further," Balkenende said.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/21/2010 2:59:57 AM
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The following from a lieutenant colonel of Marines now on active duty:
"When traveling between these kabals (most only a few kilometers apart), one is permitted to have a magazine inserted in his weapon (but no round chambered, of course, as that would be far too dangerous), but, upon entering a kabal, one is required to make Condition Four. As you might imagine, traveling from kabal to kabal (as I must do daily) the constant loading and clearing is absurdly frustrating and time consuming. We are supposed to stop and exit our vehicle in order to clear our weapon(s) at each kabal. The time wasted with this idiocy is substantial. To add insult to injury, there is no place for us to `load' (insert magazines) on the way out. That is apparently unimportant.
"All of this because our `leaders' unconditionally distrust warriors with loaded weapons. They are afraid of guns, and apparently are afraid of us having them. Knowing the poor training that most military personnel receive, I understand their fear, but instead of providing proper training, they order everyone to carry an unloaded weapon or no weapon at all. The `cannon fodder mentality' is alive and well over here.
"Tired of this nonsense I started carrying concealed under my cammie blouse in a Blade-Tech kydex holster. Most gate guards just assume I don't have a pistol and thus give me puzzled looks, but wave me through anyway. Kydex is proving to be a great product for this environment.
"I met our main body yesterday. They all arrived from the aerial port of delivery (APOD) in (of course) Condition Three. The first thing our unit S-4 (a VMI graduate no less) asked me, `Sir, where is the armory? These Marines have loaded weapons, and we need to turn them in before they have a negligent discharge.'
"I looked at him indignantly and replied, `I'm sorry, Major. I've obviously been misinformed. I thought you were a man of honor, integrity, a fearless warrior, ready and eager to defend our country. I see instead that you are pitiable and afraid of our own guns! No. The Marines will keep their weapons in Condition Three.' Not a word was said in reply, but they all slept with their weapons last night, and there were no NDs. Imagine that!
"Anyway, I wish officers who were afraid of Marines carrying loaded weapons would find another line of work, preferably in the UK. I, for one, wear my (Condition One) pistol constantly. After only one day of being screwed with, my Captains all do likewise. We're slowly spreading the sunshine here!"
Condition Four: Chamber empty, no magazine, hammer down.
Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/21/2010 6:03:22 AM
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Marcus, that goes back to 2003. Isn't that a little dated? The Kabals also seem to be in Kuwait.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/21/2010 11:05:05 AM
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...so how many Americans have died in Afghanistan due to lack of chambered ammunition?
A chambered round does little good against an enemy that refuses to stand up and fight...and would just as soon blow up your vehicle and run...(though, I'm sure conveys in IRaq/Afghan travel with chambered rounds)
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/21/2010 11:12:34 AM
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...so how many Americans have died in Afghanistan due to lack of chambered ammunition?
A chambered round does little good against an enemy that refuses to stand up and fight...and would just as soon blow up your vehicle and run...(though, I'm sure conveys in IRaq/Afghan travel with chambered rounds)
But our new PC policy says that our soldiers cannot shoot at someone unless they have a visible gun. so probably the ones blowing us the vehicles will just walz away.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/21/2010 11:20:55 AM
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Marcus.
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...so how many Americans have died in Afghanistan due to lack of chambered ammunition?
A chambered round does little good against an enemy that refuses to stand up and fight...and would just as soon blow up your vehicle and run...(though, I'm sure conveys in IRaq/Afghan travel with chambered rounds)
That was the policy in Beirut when the suicide bomber took out the Marine Barracks there. The guards were unable to load and fire in time. Seems like some folks never learn.
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/21/2010 5:33:19 PM
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The quote that Marcus mentioned I believe implies that it occurred in Kuwait since that is the only place that I can find that the Kabal's are mentioned.
Do we really do this in the middle of war zones? Or just in densely inhabited areas?
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/21/2010 5:39:23 PM
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Marcus.
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The gentleman the story came from often uses whatever term he wants. Kabals need not mean Kuwait necessarily. A good example of his speech: criminals are called goblins often and anti-firearms activists are called hoplophobes and the age we live in he calls The Age of the Wimp..
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RE: Is Afghanistan still a just war? - 2/21/2010 5:43:25 PM
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The gentleman the story came from often uses whatever term he wants. Kabals need not mean Kuwait necessarily. A good example of his speech: criminals are called goblins often and anti-firearms activists are called hoplophobes and the age we live in he calls The Age of the Wimp..
Ok, I wish I knew what and when he was referring to so I could know what to think of it, lol.
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They didn't mention where it occurred at.
when I read that. You can make a case for a base that isn't in a warzone for these kinds of policies - not that I agree with it but at least a case can be made. Inside one of the two warzones I don't think that any of our leaders have been that stupid...