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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/26/2009 6:54:55 PM
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Robin-again
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What Sin Will Stop You From Entering Heaven?
*I believe* it is the sin that you had not ask to be forgiven for when you were given the opportunity to do so.
like now for instance...
If you are knowing that you have sinned and are pushing the image farther away from your memory and not wanting to stop that particular sin and NOT ASK FOR FORGIVENESS then that sin will stop you from entering the Pearly Gates of the Kingdom in Heaven.
I believe:
The image of the gates in popular culture is a set of large, white or wrought-iron gates in the clouds, guarded by Saint Peter (the keeper of the "keys to the kingdom"); those not fit to enter heaven are denied entrance at the gates, and thus descend into Hell.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/26/2009 8:01:23 PM
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All of the people in these scenarios are Christians, committed certain sins, then died immediately.
Which one will God ok and then you can enter heaven?
God knows where their Love, Faith, and Belief belongs to.
Either He or Satan will get the TRUTH of their SOUL.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/26/2009 10:12:04 PM
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After reading another disagreeable thread, I'm glad that duelling Christian ideologies and flaming each other with Bible verses won't determine who gets into heaven.
I personally do not see anything wrong with having a good, healthy dialogue. That is what I see this as. Christians coming together and discussing the word. The Word refers to this as "iron sharpening iron" -- that's pretty hard and rough, if you really think about it -- not comfortable. Therefore, sometimes conversations amongst believers may be uncomfortable, but I think its good! How else can we learn more, learn from each other -- there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nobody is calling anyone names -- just good, healthy discussion.
I still love all my brothers and sisters here, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to agree with everything they say -- and that should be okay. We can agree to disagree, and still move on in love. If you're reading this as people yelling back and forth, look at it from a different perspective, people discussing things (maybe even heated, but not angrily) back and forth to get to truth. That's how I see many of these discussions. God bless.
I attend a Sunday School class, that does quite alot of "sharpening". I don't see anything wrong with it either. Better than folks giving you the fish-eyed look, amazed that you can quote scripture, etc., because they haven't cracked a Bible open in 25 years
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/28/2009 5:42:52 PM
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I believe:
The image of the gates in popular culture is a set of large, white or wrought-iron gates in the clouds, guarded by Saint Peter (the keeper of the "keys to the kingdom"); those not fit to enter heaven are denied entrance at the gates, and thus descend into Hell.
The gates that keep you from entering the New Jerusalem, purportedly the capital city of Heaven, are pearly.
See Rev. 21:21, each one of the gates was a single pearl.
Some oyster, huh?
There is also an interesting verse in Revelation 15:8, And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power; and no one was able to enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.
When God starts up this final set of judgments, His glory will be so great that even those in heaven will be restricted from entering the temple there.
In this case, it is not the sin of someone in heaven, but the glorious effects of judgment of sin on the earth that keeps people out of the heavenly temple.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/29/2009 8:03:27 PM
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What Sin Will Stop You From Entering Heaven? The unrepentant sins and of course the ones listed in the Bible. Some of those mentioned........
1Co 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Judges 10:13
Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.
Jeremiah 2:29
Wherefore will ye plead with me? ye all have transgressed against me, saith the LORD.
Ezekiel 5:11
Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.
Incurring/invoking the wrath of God often ends in ultimate destruction.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/29/2009 8:59:12 PM
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Some oyster, huh? Yep. You noticed that too huh?
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ORIGINAL: sen10tiousThere is also an interesting verse in Revelation 15:8, And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power; and no one was able to enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.
When God starts up this final set of judgments, His glory will be so great that even those in heaven will be restricted from entering the temple there.
In this case, it is not the sin of someone in heaven, but the glorious effects of judgment of sin on the earth that keeps people out of the heavenly temple.
I sorry > I must leave now...my session here is over. My timer told me so.
Me come back tomorrow.
May everyone here have a Blessed Week.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/30/2009 8:57:34 AM
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There is also an interesting verse in Revelation 15:8, And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power; and no one was able to enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.
When God starts up this final set of judgments, His glory will be so great that even those in heaven will be restricted from entering the temple there.
In this case, it is not the sin of someone in heaven, but the glorious effects of judgment of sin on the earth that keeps people out of the heavenly temple.
That's food for thought.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/30/2009 1:27:51 PM
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The only sin preventing entry into the Kingdom of Heaven is if your name isn't in the Lambs Book OF Life.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/30/2009 1:33:08 PM
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I believe you. But I've found it much easier to leave the "who gets to heaven" question to God and simply focus on Him.
Jesus will be the one to separate the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats, the good fish from the bad.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/30/2009 2:40:35 PM
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I venture to guess that no Christian who has posted here would have the gall to say they have never committed any sin since becoming a Christian. So either we are all lost now, or we know that there is a difference between falling or committing a sin and the idea of of "continuing in sin." One happen to all human beings who are saved The other is a willful lifestyle of transgression. Yesterday, I became angry at a driver in front of me (well, irritated). I do not think that this causes me to be eternally lost again. I do not believe that, had I had an accident before I confessed this, I would have gone to hell. However, someone who professes Christianity who lives in a continual lifestyle of uncontrolled anger...Are they truly saved? I don't know.
I do know that God says that if we break one of His laws we are guilty of breaking all of it. That would seem to put to rest the idea that some sins are "horrible" and others "aren't that bad." My brother, who is gay and says he is a Christian, once asked me, "Why is it that a deacon can yell and scream and curse and turn red in a business meeting and everyone sort of lets it go, but if I walked into church with a partner, everyone would hyperventilate?" I have to admit I didn't have an answer for him.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/30/2009 3:55:59 PM
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I venture to guess that no Christian who has posted here would have the gall to say they have never committed any sin since becoming a Christian. So either we are all lost now, or we know that there is a difference between falling or committing a sin and the idea of of "continuing in sin." One happen to all human beings who are saved The other is a willful lifestyle of transgression. Yesterday, I became angry at a driver in front of me (well, irritated). I do not think that this causes me to be eternally lost again. I do not believe that, had I had an accident before I confessed this, I would have gone to hell. However, someone who professes Christianity who lives in a continual lifestyle of uncontrolled anger...Are they truly saved? I don't know.
I do know that God says that if we break one of His laws we are guilty of breaking all of it. That would seem to put to rest the idea that some sins are "horrible" and others "aren't that bad." My brother, who is gay and says he is a Christian, once asked me, "Why is it that a deacon can yell and scream and curse and turn red in a business meeting and everyone sort of lets it go, but if I walked into church with a partner, everyone would hyperventilate?" I have to admit I didn't have an answer for him.
I would answer that both need to repent, then go and sin no more, as Jesus instructs us to do. That is what I would've told him. To not tell him that he needs to repent as much as the guy in rage,well, is practically handing them over into the hands of satan. We should always go to the Word as Peter says, always giving an answer to the hope that is in us..."(paraphrase). We should always have an answer for it doesn't come from us but by the Spirit so that conviction will take place thus snatching souls from the fire through Jesus Christ our Lord. Your brother is confused and you may be positioned by God to just show him Christ's Words when he asks(crying out for help actually) and loving him with the Word of God. Not condemning but showing him the Word of God. It is written Hebrews 4:12-- For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double‑edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
The Word is meant to reveal truth no matter how much it hurts. It doesn't matter what that deacon or that pastor is or is not doing, Judgment will come, but what are we, as individuals, doing to make sure that the path we are on is the one that is narrow and leading to life instead of the one that is wide and leading to eternal damnation where there is much wailing an gnashing of teeth. Just keep praying, friend and provide Scripture often. God bless you and your family with His deliverance and mercy, in Jesus name!
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 11/30/2009 4:45:54 PM
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'...who professes Christianity who lives in a continual lifestyle of uncontrolled anger...Are they truly saved? I don't know.
I do know that God says that if we break one of His laws we are guilty of breaking all of it. That would seem to put to rest the idea that some sins are "horrible" and others "aren't that bad." My brother, who is gay and says he is a Christian, once asked me, "Why is it that a deacon can yell and scream and curse and turn red in a business meeting and everyone sort of lets it go, but if I walked into church with a partner, everyone(has he tried in obedience?)would hyperventilate?" I have to admit I didn't have an answer for him.
The reality is neither is however both should be dealt with in the appropriate forum. If either(or both)claims to be redeemed by the same Blood/Sacrifice that bought my(our)salvation we(the church)have the privilege and responsibility to call both to account, deacon or sinner.
Don't sell[the church] short. His(or the deacon)shock probably is an excuse for continuing to indulge in one's disobedience.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 12/1/2009 10:47:10 PM
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I sinned against Him 20 times day for 35 years and yet He was still there to help me quit , after I went back to smoking so many times, He was there helping me always, He never gave up and neather did I, this year I became a non smoker. THANK YOU
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 12/2/2009 12:48:38 AM
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I sinned against Him 20 times day for 35 years and yet He was still there to help me quit , after I went back to smoking so many times, He was there helping me always, He never gave up and neather did I, this year I became a non smoker. THANK YOU Praise God!!!!!!! Great testimony -- thank you for sharing!!!! Love it!
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 12/2/2009 10:54:49 AM
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I do know that God says that if we break one of His laws we are guilty of breaking all of it. That would seem to put to rest the idea that some sins are "horrible" and others "aren't that bad." I do think there are sins worse than others. Mt 23:15 has Jesus making a distinction. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves."
However, the degree of sin is not stopping one from entering heaven. Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient to cover all degrees.
I am also convinced that what most people think of as "worse sins" has very little semblance to what God considers worse sins. A longer proof would need to go on another thread, but briefly, many people think that hitting is worse than making a nasty comment; scripture teaches that it’s the other way around. Similarly, angry words that are truly spoken may not be sinful, while sweet words may drip lies.
Staying on topic, I do think your other point about habitual sin does play into what can stop you from getting into heaven. This is why we need a Savior who can see the heart. At some point, the "I'm sorry, I'm so weak, I need you!" becomes hardened into outright rebellion and defiance; the heart call changes to "God, You're not fair!" By then they are no longer seeking to walk with God. That is a line that only God can draw, but at some point it can be crossed.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/26/2010 3:48:31 PM
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The pretense that even the smallest sin will condemn one to hell or the worst sins will not condemn one to hell is a false equivalency arguement that scripture clearly conflicts with. Believing that all is forgiveness is belief that God is a fool and that life is really without consequences, therefore why not go one's own way. The wide broad path to ultimate destruction.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/27/2010 2:14:07 AM
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Hmm, not sure if this was posted or not, but:
Mark 3:29 - But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/27/2010 6:03:19 AM
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Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the
blasphemy against the Holy Ghost
shall not be forgiven unto men.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/27/2010 8:16:39 AM
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None,, my sins were taken away at the cross
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/27/2010 8:38:20 AM
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IF any sin can keep us from heaven, then that negates the shed blood of Jesus. I personally believe we will lose "rewards" which are laid up for us even now by unconfessed sin.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/27/2010 9:59:12 AM
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The pretense that even the smallest sin will condemn one to hell or the worst sins will not condemn one to hell is a false equivalency arguement that scripture clearly conflicts with. Believing that all is forgiveness is belief that God is a fool and that life is really without consequences, therefore why not go one's own way. The wide broad path to ultimate destruction.
Are you saying that there are sins that the blood of Christ does not cover? It sounds like you are saying that even as a Christian if I should commit certain sins I would be eternally lost.
I think there is a major difference between someone 'willfully going their own way' flippantly asking forgiveness every night and someone who sincerely desires to put on Christ, but, due to habits not yet overcome, immaturity, a lack of understanding, or several other reasons(after all god doesn't just zap us with a complete understanding of all scriptures) sins in some way.
I believe God is gracious, He gently leads us. As we grow He shows us step by step how and where we need to change; to conform us more and more to the image of Christ.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/27/2010 10:22:39 AM
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I think there is grave error in the Body of Christ today when they say that just because you confess Jesus as Savior, you are saved forever and going to heaven. What did the Scripture just read above? Not everyone who says Lord is going to heaven. Just because a serial killer accepts Jesus because he got "caught", is saved. God knows and searches the heart and knows if true repentance, sorrow, regret of sinning is there. Not everyone who says that they are Christians and have been saved for upteen years is guaranteed heaven either. So what does the Word say?
It says narrow is the way, that means not a lot of people are going into the kingdom. That may be a tough pill to swallow but it is nonetheless written and altogether true.
The way I live is this. I try with everything in my to live by Scripture. But do I get upset and swear every once in awhile when someone nearly kills me on the road? Yes. Do I think unkind thoughts sometimes? Yes. But here is the thing. I repent immediately. Not before I lay down to sleep. Immediately. And say, I am an unprofitable servant, cleanse me from all unrighteous thoughts, behavior and words right now Lord! And then I try to go as long as I can without sinning. But when I wake up every morning, I thank God because I have another chance to be better than I was yesterday. I have another chance to make my Father proud of me so that He will say "well done, thou good & faithful servant". It is hard but it is do-able. We must keep working to be better than yesterday in all aspects. Just keep working. Because I believe that it is that "effort" to do good- is what pleases God our Father. For truly the way to destruction is wide and not everyone who claims salvation is heaven bound. That is truth. I include myself. I do tremble as I work out my salvation because I am not worthy so I try even harder to do those thinks which are written in Scripture and I thank God for His Holy Spirit, our Comforter and Helper for without him, it would be hard indeed.
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yeah,
I thought it was a heart issue, not a performance issue.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/27/2010 11:07:08 AM
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None,, my sins were taken away at the cross
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/27/2010 3:14:40 PM
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applemom, I am saying i agree with the scriptures that i posted. They state clear as day some iniquities are NOT forgiven and that in scripture of the NEW TESTAMENT. Don't use a general statement/scripture to refute a clear and specific statement.
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RE: CHRISTIANS: What Sin Will Stop You From Entering He... - 1/27/2010 4:58:25 PM
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yankeedoodled,
According to your interpretation of one of the Scripture verses you posted, thieves will not go to Heaven, is that correct?
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