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mentally ill teacher - 1/6/2010 4:33:56 PM
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I have a question I am almost afraid to post. But I will grit my teeth and plant my feet to prepare.
I am in danger of losing my job as a music teacher. According to the administration, it has to do with excessive absences, but something else has come to my attention. Now before I go further, I am tenured, I have been here 10 years. I always get good feedback from parents, I collaborate with other teachers, we have great programs, and I believe that the kids enjoy music. The assessments I do show that they learn. My evaluations have always been very good.Here's the rub: one of the reasons I have missed more than some teachers is because of illness. I have bipolar disorder. I take medication, see my doctor regularly, and am not a danger. Bipolar isn't usually like it is in a Law and Order episode. But sometimes a med change will make me sick for a few days. Sometimes during a depressive episode getting out of bed is almost impossible.
H and I were talking, and he asked me, "Do you think that word has gotten out to parents that you are bipolar, and they are concerned? Could someone have gone to the central office and complained about it?" I don't advertise my condition, but I don't hide it either. I don't think this is the case, but it got me thinking. I have a very good case based on Section 504 and the disabilities act, coupled with the fact that I am tenured, to fight a potential termination. But if folks don't know I am bipolar now, they sure would if I went that route.
As a parent, would you freak out if you found out one of your kids' teachers had bipolar disorder?
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/7/2010 12:14:12 AM
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Teachers - even tenured teachers, have lost their jobs over less. Much less.
BUT being as I'm a frequent volunteer in my kids' schools, it is likely that I would know their teachers well (at least at the elementary and middle school levels) enough to base my concerns on what I have observed first hand. And if I did notice anything to spark my concern I would first talk to the teacher about it, personally. But I don't think I'd have a problem with a teacher being bi-polar as long as the condition was well-managed with proper medication.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/7/2010 8:41:02 AM
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We had a teacher who was bipolar in the elementary school at the time B attended. Not a lot of parents knew this, but even those who did looked more at what this teacher had done (good job) rather than any medical problems the teacher had. The teacher left after a few years because of family medical issues.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/7/2010 9:51:36 AM
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As long as it's under control, I wouldn't have a problem. It's no different than any other medical condition.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/7/2010 10:02:47 AM
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If it was the teacher vs. the school system and I had minimal information, I would ask my kids if the teacher in question had ever acted erratically and if they answered no, I would take his/her word for it that the absences were for medication changes. I would appreciate that they took that time off instead of being at school!
I know this is scary. There is a potential for educating students about this though. My sons' music teacher has epilepsy and she educated them about what could potentially happen to her from day one. At the time I wondered why (her seizures are controlled by medication so any of them seeing one is unlikely) but now I'm so grateful. My youngest developed epilepsy and it really helped my older children adjust.
Maybe your condition wouldn't change much for most students, but there are some with parents with bipolar, and a few will develop it themselves. It means so much to know that there's someone else out there with the same problems sometimes. Someone who shows they can do it.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/8/2010 4:55:48 AM
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I would make a plan for defending against termination for a medical condition.. BUT.. that said..
I would also think about how my absences effect the school at large. If they feel your absences are excessive and they have outlined why and how your not being there more than the other teachers effects them and the students, then they have the right to terminate solely on that. It would be a hardship for sure to be terminated but at the same time the school needs someone who is there within the time off schedule allowed.
I have a friend who teachers physics for a high school locally and she has anxiety issues that have already been brought to her attention as effecting how she appears to her students (lack of confidence) and to other teachers (not able to handle job) and she's concerned enough about her position to talk to a union rep and see what she should do. She's a great teacher, her anxiety has nothing to do with the job, it's part of who she is and her not wanting to be doped up to not be anxious.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/8/2010 8:45:57 AM
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Thanks for the replies. All excellent points. I missed 6 days last semester, which is way more than I would have liked to. One of the things that bothers me is this: We have a teacher who was diagnosed with a muscle disease about the same time I was diagnosed with bipolar. She has missed an enormous amount of school and has been here less time than I have. In fact, this year, they hired a full time teacher/aid to be in the class with her and be the automatic sub for whenever she is absent. I think this is wonderful that they accommodate her, which is what ADA and Section 504 mandates that they do. But my accommodations are....inspect my room for defects, stay on me about being absent, and then call me in and tell me it's time to "explore my options." Seems like a double standards. And I know why. Like it or not, mental illness is not seen as a disease in the same way "real" illnesses are. I understand why people may choose to feel that way, but it doesn't matter what I think or what they think in the final analysis. It is a legal issue.
Now, I do not display this attitude at all at school. I grew up in a education family with a mother who was a superintendent, so I have had professionalism and job enthusiasm while at school drilled into my head. Whether I am back next year or not, my job as a teacher (and as a Christian) is to do my very best. It is so hard on a forum to really convey who one is. I am not over-medicated or loopy. I am not jumpy or angry or paranoid. I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I LOVE these 400 kids. I have been that teacher who drives by the school in the summer and just can't believe she gets to work there.
I'm just sad that my time here may be coming to an end and that this is the way it might end. And, as the main breadwinner and insurance carrier for my family, I wonder how on earth we will eat, buy my meds, buy my H's diabetic (type I) supplies, etc. Right now I can smile, hold my hands up, and say "God will provide." But after August 31st, when that last paycheck comes.....I still know he will provide, but I sure wish I knew how.
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mentally ill teacher - 1/8/2010 9:12:35 AM
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Thanks for the replies. All excellent points. I missed 6 days last semester, which is way more than I would have liked to. One of the things that bothers me is this: We have a teacher who was diagnosed with a muscle disease about the same time I was diagnosed with bipolar. She has missed an enormous amount of school and has been here less time than I have. In fact, this year, they hired a full time teacher/aid to be in the class with her and be the automatic sub for whenever she is absent. I think this is wonderful that they accommodate her, which is what ADA and Section 504 mandates that they do. But my accommodations are....inspect my room for defects, stay on me about being absent, and then call me in and tell me it's time to "explore my options." Seems like a double standards. And I know why. Like it or not, mental illness is not seen as a disease in the same way "real" illnesses are. I understand why people may choose to feel that way, but it doesn't matter what I think or what they think in the final analysis. It is a legal issue.
I agree that mental health issues are treated differently than physical health issues by employers.
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Now, I do not display this attitude at all at school. I grew up in a education family with a mother who was a superintendent, so I have had professionalism and job enthusiasm while at school drilled into my head. Whether I am back next year or not, my job as a teacher (and as a Christian) is to do my very best. It is so hard on a forum to really convey who one is. I am not over-medicated or loopy. I am not jumpy or angry or paranoid. I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I LOVE these 400 kids. I have been that teacher who drives by the school in the summer and just can't believe she gets to work there.
Most people will never know how many mentally ill people they come into contact with every day.
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I'm just sad that my time here may be coming to an end and that this is the way it might end. And, as the main breadwinner and insurance carrier for my family, I wonder how on earth we will eat, buy my meds, buy my H's diabetic (type I) supplies, etc. Right now I can smile, hold my hands up, and say "God will provide."
Well, you've certainly got prayers going up on your behalf. Is there a chance that the Lord has something better in store for you?
I do hope whatever happens that your love of children and teaching will remain with you.
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But after August 31st, when that last paycheck comes.....I still know he will provide, but I sure wish I knew how.
I am a self-proclaimed control freak and profectionist. OK, honestly, I've had therapists and psychiatrists tell me that. Actually, my family, neighbors and friends have told me the same thing. It gets really annoying when the cashier at the convenience store or the guy in line at the post office feels the need to bring it to my attention. 
Sometimes I think that God is up in Heaven and telling the other occupants up there, "Watch what happens when I don't tell her what I AM going to do."  I have found in my own personal experience that the more I want the Lord to reveal things to me, the less things get revealed. I think that is because I run around saying, "Tell me, Lord, tell me! PPllleeeeaaaaasssseee?!" and then I don't shut up long enough to hear His answer.  
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/8/2010 9:49:12 AM
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In my opinion, 6 days is totally reasonable based on what you're going through. I think you should fight it.
Is it the principal who's coming down on you or are you receiving pressure from the superintendent? While I don't like to go over people's heads the public school system is very hierarchal and often the superintendent is more educated in the law then the school's administration.
You are being discriminated against and you should feel confident using anything you can to protect yourself.
While I'm not a huge teacher's union fan, have you consulted a union rep. or lawyer for this? They might give you some direction.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/8/2010 10:19:45 AM
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knowing what i know aoubt mental illness and knowing that billions of people have a mental illness of some sort and some of them are following doctor's orders and some aren't...it wouldn't bother me. especially if you've been there for 10 years, there's never been a problem, my kid loves you and knows more about music than mozart.
having been a teacher, like someone else said, good tenured teachers can and have lost their jobs over a lot less than that. AND the bad part is, they keep the rotten one. and sometimes it boils down to a parent. one, big mouthed, ignorant parent who has a lotta pull and who has to have things their way. and they won't shut up until they get what they want.
last june i was fired. the agency i worked for didn't lay people off because of the economy, they fired them. and for all of us they had to dig up something. simply put, i lost my job because the agency didn't do it's job. they basically said i lied or mislead them on my application. i didn't. but because they didn't do their job in reviewing my application, it seems that way. and in the termination meeting they agreed i didn't lie or mislead them. but there's more that i won't go into. but one thing that kept me grounded was the fact that i knew i could stand before God and honestly say that i did not do what they said i did not lie or purposefully mislead anyone on my application. and for me, that's what mattered most. not to mention, i always beleived God gave me the job and only God can take it. so if you can rest in the fact that you have done your job properly in God's eyes and that your job is in His hands, whatever happens can be easier to take. if you can fight it, do.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/8/2010 10:58:58 AM
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My teacher friend gets 7 off days per semester to use for sick or personal days. 6 Doesn't seem like a lot.
Do they know you have bipolar? Have they mentioned anything about the illness being the reason?
Have you talked to a union rep if you are union? You need to talk to someone who is a teachers advocate to find out what you need to do to protect yourself.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/8/2010 1:36:28 PM
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We "earn" one sick leave day a month, and they accumulate. If you are sick and have no days, they cut you a day's pay plus the cost of the sub, which makes sense. They do know that I have bipolar disorder, and every time I am sick, even if it is strep throat or something, I call my pdoc to let them know what medicine I am taking. I was advised to do that to have a record of it.
I am a member of AEA. It's funny, I was advised to join for the insurance way back when. Every year I think about un-joining because I really don't like some of the stuff NEA promotes. But after being diagnosed, I was told to NEVER unjoin. Ugh. When my mom was superintendent, and highly offensive and incompetent (like using horrible grammar, not planning lessons, and cursing at kids) teacher of a specific culture sued to keep her job. I remember how I thought that was a terrible thing to do - lawsuits were for the worldly. I never thought I would ever even consider the other side.
I have spoken with the uniserve director, and supposedly the system would not truly be able to make a case for revoking my tenure. But in this small town, once I decided to fight it, it would become public knowledge. Can I really keep teaching here after all that? I don't know.
I can see how God could use this situation in several ways. And we have been through trials before. We have never gone hungry or been without necessities. I remember a pastor saying once, "Did it ever occur to you that nothing 'occurs' to God? He already knew." I might be surprised about all this, but He is not. He knows the big picture. That is what I need to remember.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/19/2010 1:17:10 PM
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I would not have a problem with a teacher with a mental disability as long as it was controlled. I think that you are jumping to conclusions, 6 days does not seem to be a lot of sick days to me either. Is it more than you normally take in a semester? Is it more than the average teacher takes in your school?
I personally have an issue with tenure, period. Sorry, that is a whole different thread.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/19/2010 3:28:13 PM
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I can understand your problem with tenure. The system inadvertently gives protection to some teachers who have no business being within 10 miles of a classroom. It needs a serious overhaul.
The amount of sick days vary from year to year among teachers. We have another teacher with a disability that has missed far more than me, and their solution for her was to ask people to donate to the sick leave bank and hire her a full time aid. Of course, her disability is not mental illness; it is a muscle problem. I don't want special treatment or to be excused from doing my job in an excellent fashion, I just want to be treated equally.
I am hoping that this will just take care of itself. H is graduating, and maybe we will just move elsewhere. My mom, H, and even one of our pastors, thinks I should "fight it," but I don't know if I can go to a job every day that I had to go through the legal system to keep. Every job has it perks and strains, but it is definitely tough being a public school teacher in this day and age. And I am a music teacher. I don't see how classroom teachers do it - they are saints!
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mentally ill teacher - 1/19/2010 8:52:11 PM
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HRF - I was just wondering if the problem is with what you are teaching rather than being bipolar? My 17 yo dd is very much into choir. We are going to a meeting tomorrow because the school district is considering some major cut backs in fine arts, which could mean that choir is history. I'm just wondering if something similar is going on in your school district?
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/19/2010 9:54:11 PM
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I'm reading here and asking myself:
If it is about your mental illness...
If they do attempt to fire you...
If you do decide to fight it publicly...
If everyone does find out about it and begin to question...
Doesn't that give you quite a unique opportunity to be an ambassador for, "Bipolar doesn't mean basket case... it can be managed. I'm living proof of that here in your public school on a daily basis, and if you get it you can manage it too."
It seems to me that mental illnesses need those kinds of ambassadors... especially as role models for teens.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/19/2010 11:38:10 PM
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HRF - I was just wondering if the problem is with what you are teaching rather than being bipolar? My 17 yo dd is very much into choir. We are going to a meeting tomorrow because the school district is considering some major cut backs in fine arts, which could mean that choir is history. I'm just wondering if something similar is going on in your school district?
Here instead of cutting fine arts out completely they are getting rid of long term teachers and opting for younger (read CHEAPER) teachers. That, among other things.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/20/2010 9:10:45 AM
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HRF - I was just wondering if the problem is with what you are teaching rather than being bipolar? My 17 yo dd is very much into choir. We are going to a meeting tomorrow because the school district is considering some major cut backs in fine arts, which could mean that choir is history. I'm just wondering if something similar is going on in your school district?
Here instead of cutting fine arts out completely they are getting rid of long term teachers and opting for younger (read CHEAPER) teachers. That, among other things.
Blessings,
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But if the teacher is tenured isn't he/she protected against this?
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Doesn't that give you quite a unique opportunity to be an ambassador for, "Bipolar doesn't mean basket case... it can be managed. I'm living proof of that here in your public school on a daily basis, and if you get it you can manage it too."
It seems to me that mental illnesses need those kinds of ambassadors... especially as role models for teens.
This is true and very good advice if the illness is the cause of the termination.
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mentally ill teacher - 1/20/2010 9:49:58 AM
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Doesn't that give you quite a unique opportunity to be an ambassador for, "Bipolar doesn't mean basket case... it can be managed. I'm living proof of that here in your public school on a daily basis, and if you get it you can manage it too."
It seems to me that mental illnesses need those kinds of ambassadors... especially as role models for teens.
This is true and very good advice if the illness is the cause of the termination.
I think that depends on the strength of the individual. Not saying that HRF wouldn't want to do it, but she may or may not feel strong enough.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/20/2010 11:12:48 AM
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But if the teacher is tenured isn't he/she protected against this?
Not necessarily. If a school administration wants someone out - they will find a way to get that person out. One of the biggest excuses used is "excessive absences." Usually doesn't matter all that much the reason for the excessive absences or what is considered excessive, really.
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/20/2010 1:48:42 PM
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Well, I am going to go ahead and meet with the uniserve director. I have all of my evaluations, the grants I have been awarded, letters from parents I have kept over the years, info from seminars I have taught, even the teacher of the year info from when I won that. I also have the lesson plans from this year that the admin. wrote positive comments on. I feel so strange. I don't want her to assume I am A) crazy or B) incompetent but just clueless about it. It makes me feel sick inside. All those years, all those wonderful students, all those programs, all those parents and kids saying nice things, even thanking me. And now I feel like one of "those" teachers. One thing I have to remember is that I know what kind of teacher I have purposed to be, and God knows what kind of teacher I have purposed to be. Everything else will take care of itself.
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mentally ill teacher - 1/20/2010 1:50:46 PM
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((((HRF)))) You have a positive outlook and it looks like a positive plan of action. I will be praying for you. When do you meet with the director?
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RE: mentally ill teacher - 1/20/2010 1:54:58 PM
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But if the teacher is tenured isn't he/she protected against this?
Not necessarily. If a school administration wants someone out - they will find a way to get that person out. One of the biggest excuses used is "excessive absences." Usually doesn't matter all that much the reason for the excessive absences or what is considered excessive, really.
Garsy
In our area, I have seen tenured teachers sleep through class and not be fired.  That is why I asked. That is also why I like the way the charter school does the contracts.
This is a VERY raw issue with me right now. We lost our suburb Art teacher because of something like this. She is a wonderful teacher - BUT was FORCED into retirement, or faced losing her job. Simply because she was outspoken, was tired of the way administration was doing things, and wasn't afraid to say it. Over the last few years - YES she did miss a number of days of school. Many more than any one should be allowed to miss. She also had daughter in her early 20's DYING because her breast cancer spread to her blood and bones. But she ALWAYS made sure there were lesson plans there for her subs, and she NEVER jeopardized in anyway the education of the kids at our elementary school. She was late for meetings routinely. Sure. But she was NEVER late to the classroom. And there are plenty of other reasons given for her at first "administrative leave" but not a SINGLE one of them affected what happened in the classroom and the art education of the children she was charged with teaching. The Kids adore her. All of them. I don't think there was a single student that went through a year of art with her that could say that they didn't learn something and that had nothing but good to say about her. BUT because she was "excessively absent" and a variety of other excuses they let her go. But those of us in the know, KNOW it was PRIMARILY because she held a masters degree in Art education AND in our district, teachers with Masters degrees COST them more than teachers without masters degrees. Plus we got a new superintendent who is looking for ways to make serious budget cuts across the board without cutting "classroom teachers." So we are losing really good teachers that have a few flaws on their records - simply to get younger, much more eager to please, teachers in their places. I've heard other stories coming from other schools in the district as well. Tenured or not, teachers are scared to speak their mind anymore around here.
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The charter school DS attends does not "do" tenure. Every teacher and employee gets a year to year contract, every year they have to renew. Even the principal, actually. This insures the best possible performance and teachers because the ones who do not perform are just not renewed. The contracts do have clauses for early dismissal if necessary. I have had children at this school for 6 years and I really think they have the best teachers in the county.