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ORIGINAL: bob97

Marv, just to make my position clear; I have always been one who seen the 70th week as be future. Suddenly lately it started to have some holes, actually has always had some holes because much of the prophecy we read seems to have many aspects that were historical. As an example much of Mat 24 seems to have already occurred and then there is Revelation and the seals which seem to be largely historical. Then there is Daniel 9:27, which I’ve always understood to be the antichrist that would make a covenant for the finial week. Then Roy started teaching that it was in fact Christ who made the covenant; at first I rejected that but now I agree. This opened up the question of the finial week to me, so I started to do research just to see when that theology came onto the scene. What I have posted is some of the things that I find that seem to ring true.

Another passage of scripture which I’ve always seen to be future has been 2 Thessalonians 2:4; this was always the antichrist setting in a new temple in the future. We have always had the argument about the new temple, some saying it would not happen and some saying that the temple of the future was in the hearts of believers, so this has always been an argument difficult to flesh out.

Now let me ask you a question…has there ever been in the past a person or several persons setting in the house of God whom have called themselves god or that they take Gods place on earth, or anyone with references to their deity. Anyone whom has the authority to grant salvation or condemn one to hell, a person whom is supreme without error? I think there has been and this is what Luther was referring to.

At this point I am only exploring some of these inconsistencies but I am starting to see another possibility.

In Messiah,

Bob

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|2532| And
|2784| will be proclaimed
|5124| this
|2098| Good News
|3588| of the
|0932| kingdom
|1722| in
|3680| all
|3588| the
|3625| inhabited earth
|1519| for
|3142| a testimony
|3956| to all
|3588| the
|1484| nations,
|2532| and
|5119| then
|2240| will come
|3588| the
|5156| end.

Strong's Ref. # 3625
Romanized oikoumene
Pronounced oy-kou-men'-ay

feminine participle present passive of GSN3611 (as noun, by implication of GSN1093); land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specifically, the Roman empire:
KJV--earth, world.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecumene

Ecumene (also spelled œcumene or oikoumene) a term originally used in the Greco-Roman world to refer to the inhabited earth (or at least the known part of it). The term derives from the Greek οἰκουμένη (oikouménē, the feminine present middle participle of the verb οἰκέω, oikéō, "to inhabit"), short for οἰκουμένη γῆ "inhabited world".[1] In modern connotations it refers either to the projection of a united Christian Church or to world civilizations.

Over time, the word came to mean the civilized world, and to be synonymous with the Roman Empire. This usage continued after the division of the Empire into East and West, and the East Roman Emperors would use the term to describe their imperial administration. Constantinople itself came to be known as the "Ecumenical City". The word was adopted within Christianity, especially for Synods called by the Emperors and composed of bishops throughout the world (see Ecumenical Councils).

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Luther became convinced that the prophecies of Daniel were about the Roman Catholic Church and that Papal Rome was indeed the antichrist of the Bible prophecy. Hundreds of thousands of people left the RCC. In retaliation the RCC began a campaign to counter the claims of Luther at the Council of Trent. The Jesuits were commissioned by the Pope to develop a new interpretation of Scripture that would counteract the Protestant application of the RCC. Francisco Ribera, a Jesuit priest published a commentary on Revelation as a counter-interpretation in 1590. Ribera applied all of Revelation except the earliest chapters to the end time rather than to the history of the Church. Antichrist would be a single evil person who would be received by the Jews and would rebuild the temple. “Ribera denied the Protestant Scriptural Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2) as seated in the church of God—asserted by Augustine, Jerome, Luther and many reformers. He set on an infidel Antichrist, outside the church of God.

For almost 300 years the Jesuit Futurism remained largely inside the RCC but in the 1800s the process of adoption into the Protestants began. There were many steps to this adoption but it really all came to a head with Nelson Darby when he became a strong promoter of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture followed by a one man antichrist; this teaching became the hallmark of Dispensationalist. It was Darby who laid much of the foundation for the present popular removal of Daniel’s 70th week away from history and applied it to a future tribulation after the rapture. Cyrus Ingerson Scofield later adopted the teaching of Darby into his Scofield Reference Bible and this doctrine became firmly established inside the 20th century American Church

These are the facts as I see them from my research.

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And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the ROMAN EMPIRE (oikoumene) for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the TREMBLING (tromos) come.

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation (thlipsis), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matthew 24:14-22 (KJV)

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And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:20-24 (KJV)

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No need to worry, Roy: the 70 weeks are completely fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.