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RE: What is considered stealing? - 3/10/2010 8:26:30 PM
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JustaFan
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PS: I made the mistake of posting the above without reading all responses. I understand the arguments that FunBetty, Ps103 and others are making.
So it seems that some would consider me an accessory to a crime if I do not put some code or password to restrict my modem. Correct?
 No...of course not...it's yours to do with what you want. You're paying for it. And if you don't mind providing a free service to friends and sometimes not-friends, then that's your choice.
But if someone does not have permission...it's a different story.
and btw...if someone can access your WiFi...they can access your computer, too. Just sayin'....it would probably take a hacker, but it can certainly be done. It's not always about blocking service to someone, but protecting your information.
Also keep in mind that any activity others engage in online could come back to haunt you, since it will be recorded as happening at your IP address. So, if somebody uses your wifi to play with kiddie porn or if the next JheadJane uses your wifi you could be on the hot seat. You'd probably be able to talk your way out of it, but it could be stressful.
In addition, there is more and more tracking of where you go online. Advertisers use your internet activity pattern to target you with specific ads. You're being tracked online. Would you want anybody to think you were looking at porn sites (legal), KKK sites, or anything else that violated your politics, faith, or life choices?
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RE: What is considered stealing? - 3/11/2010 8:24:00 AM
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Taking something that does not belong to you without permission is stealing.. Its not anymore complicated than that.
How does WIFI come within this definition? What about an item found on a sidewalk? What if one day you woke up and found some item in your backyard, and retrieved the item and took the item into your home? Let's say it was $100 bill, or a cd, a pair of tennis shoes, etcetera?
If the WIFI is broadcast with the intent for others to use its not stealing (book stores,, coffee shops etc).. If you have to hack the password to use it..........
Finding an item is not the same as willfully taking it.. I would hope you made an attempt to locate the owner.
Have you ever gotten incorrect change back,, did you keep it or give it back?
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RE: What is considered stealing? - 3/11/2010 7:52:15 PM
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SteveSund
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Finding an item is not the same as willfully taking it.. I would hope you made an attempt to locate the owner.
Have you ever gotten incorrect change back,, did you keep it or give it back?
If you find a lost item and make no attempt to find the original owner, you have committed a crime in most jurisdictions. While not stealing, it is a crime. This does not apply to something that is abandoned.
Yes, I give back incorrect change. I worked as a cashier and if my drawer was short, that money came out of my pay. I wouldn't want someone that is already making a low wage to have to pay that back.
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RE: What is considered stealing? - 3/11/2010 9:07:53 PM
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There are power lines outside my house. Is it okay for me to tap into them and power my house without paying for it? The neighbors wouldn't suffer, and the power company would still have power, so is that okay?
To tap onto the wires, no. But if the voltage in the wires is enough, you could set up an induction coil to generate current off the EM field that the wires emit.
IMO, piggybacking on a wifi signal is more akin to trespassing than it is to stealing. If your neighbor isn't home and you decide to hang out in his backyard all day, you're not stealing anything from him and you're not depriving him of anything, but at the same time, you're using his property w/o authorization. Except in cases where concurrent use exceeds some sort of bandwidth cap, logging onto a neighbor's wifi network isn't depriving them of anything, but it doesn't mean you're allowed to use it.
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RE: What is considered stealing? - 3/11/2010 11:51:03 PM
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jaimestarcross
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Where I live there as there are free Wifi hotspots all over town.
I turn my laptop on and it latches onto whichever one has the strongest signal.
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RE: What is considered stealing? - 3/14/2010 7:59:44 PM
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the dvd/movie issue has come up before in other threads so i won't go into that one because that goes on forever. but simply put, breaking the code to make copies, download, etc even if there is a program that allows it, it's wrong. just because a program lets you do it doesn't mean it's ok to do.
What if the copy of the DVD is one allowed by fair use? Courts have ruled that it is legal and acceptable to make copies of media for personal use. It is a fair use of a CD to convert it to MP3 for the purpose of playing on your own portable media player. It is a fair use of a DVD for me to make a copy of a movie for me to play on my netbook (which has no optical drive). The supreme court has even said as much in rulings.
Not all copying of media is piracy. There are many fair uses of copyrighted media that involve copying in whole or in part. The DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act, which makes breaking encryption a crime) says "Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title." Copyright law should, and does, address the rights of consumers as well as the rights of media creators. As a consumer I have reasonable expectations of what I should be able to do with media I have purchased.
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