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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/7/2010 9:21:07 AM
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stellaluna
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Doesn't this kind of thing happen all the time when a sex offender moves into a neighborhood?
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/7/2010 9:27:54 AM
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Doesn't this kind of thing happen all the time when a sex offender moves into a neighborhood?
Yes it has. Is it evil to stalk a convicted sex offender?
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/7/2010 11:09:48 AM
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Doesn't this kind of thing happen all the time when a sex offender moves into a neighborhood?
Probably. That issue is complicated. On the one hand it is the high recidivism rate among pedophiles that causes people to take it so seriously as well as the general revulsion that people feel about it.
The statistics suggests that very few cases of incest and child molestation are ever prosecuted. That is why greater education about the phenomenon of child sexual exploitation in our country needs to happen much work needs to be done. there are some groups out there like STOP It Now! who are trying to help but child sexual exploitation is pervasive and chronic and now there is talk of networks of pedophiles at work in the nation. I think you will see a government task force on this at some point in the future.
But here are some weaknesses of the way our society currently handle convicted sex offenders.
1) Given the recidivism rate the sentences are far too short - But longer sentences begs the question prison reform and the culture that is currently allowed in our prisons. Prison should not be a place where people we hope to reform are victimized. The punishment is supposed to be the loss of freedom for a time the mercy is the opportunity to change rather than simply a summary execution. The types of things that are allowed to go on in prison do not help.
2) When a released sex-offender becomes the focus of intense public scrutiny through some kind of alternative justice system they are being denied their rights under law. Most states now have websites listing registered offenders and they state explicitily that it is a crime to stalk or harass a convicted sex offender. So knowing who these people are is part of educating ourselves and our family both to the them and the broader issue but we ar enever condoned in harassing them. It is a fine line I am sure, because the social isolation alone that most must feel can be interpreted as harassment
3) Often in these community watch settings rumors spread about people that are untrue and the community might start treating someone as a sex offender. Many victims of gang stalking report slander and specifically being rumored to be a pedophile as part of the harassment. So the whole situation is rife. I also happen to know that one of the ways that some far left gay groups get back at people is to spread rumors that they are gay. You could pick almost any taboo subject within your community and the slightest rumor that you have broken the taboo will result in some in the community being less than friendly at least.
4) What happens is someone looks almost like someone who is a convicted sex offender? People tend not to visually discriminate well between others who look very similar. So suddenly you might find that nobody wants to talk to you. Then one day somebody says 'Do you have a twin brother?'
Returning to the issue of gang stalking. Even though in some cases gang stalking or the perception of it may seem to be warranted we still have to be careful not to break either the law of the land or the law of God in how we deal with it.
Also, back in the late 70's and early 80's there was a huge scare about satanic abuse of children that swept the country. It was given alot of impetus by a case in Washington State where several people ended up in jail for almost ten years based on the testimony of a six year old girl who had been manipulate by an overzealous police officer into fingering her parents and others. Today there is room in our society for people to either openly lie or honestly believe that they are victims and so deeply damage the reputation and livelihood of others.
A recent study conducted in the Wausau, WI area found that 20% of adults had some experience during childhood that amounted to child sexual exploitation. Most had never spoken of it until this anonymous survey was done. The fact is that sexual indiscretion of all types is one of the great secret sins of our nation and because of this and other sins the Lord will judge our country.
We should not add to our sins by involving ourselves in community based hate programs or even well intentioned FBI harassment. Many librarians across the country have had to compromise their commitment to the their patrons by handing over information on people. The FBI shows up with a National Security Letter and the librarian from that point on is forbidden to talk about the fact that they know someone whom the FBI has an interest in. This would be fine if the dragnet were focused and pure I suppose. But we are at a place where the FBI and other government agencies can 'stalk' someone merely suspected of possible wrong ideas about America for years, deeply affecting their lives and livelihood with no repurcussion to the agencies or the federal government if they have harmed innocent people in the process.
So, we do have alot of choices to make about the type of country that we want to live in and the day of decision is today. Choices made in the past have given us what we have today. What will today's choices bring tomorrow?
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/7/2010 6:14:48 PM
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http://www.thehiddenevil.com/satanism.asp
Since we are already consigned to the conspiracy thread I thought I might include the link above so that the brethren and sistren can judge it for themselves. If anything this author says is true we are very far into the end-times.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/7/2010 10:56:14 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=443SQDA84Gg&NR=1&feature=fvwp
iwatch - the idea itself is great, but the fatal flaw is that it relies upon the good intentions of the citizens and upon their ability to really know what suspicious activity is. I would be willing to bet that DHS receives so much citizen generated information right now they can hardly process it all.
What happens if some citizen watch group is certain somebody is 'trouble' but the authorities don't find anything or don't have time to 'watch' the way the citizen gorup thinks is right?
What happens if you simply have people who are law abiding but completely contrarian. I was able to find out that my area has something like 18 neighborhood watch groups in a 5 mile radius of my house, and they are all registered with the USAonWatch website. What if I moved in to one of those neighborhoods and just really wanted my space, did'nt talk to folks too much, started coming and going at odd hours?
The national neighborhood watch website has stuff you can buy and one of the signs says 'Warning: I report all suspicious activity immediately to my local law enforcement.'
I see nothing wrong with neighborhood watch per se I am just wondering if we are really prepared for all the twists and turns that networking it and linking it to password protected text warnings is going to give us.
If the people on the ground are not willing or able to question why they are being asked to report when someone leaves their house, or to opt out of it.... are'nt we all being asked to believe that a top down surveillence society is going to keep us safe?
TIPS went by the wayside but right now there are five groups tied into Citizen Corps that together have to be effectively the same thing as TIPS.
I think there is real danger here that the well meaning America citizens are themselves all caught in something currently to big for them to see.
I am open to your thoughts.
I guess my next series of questions is has any of the folks out there thinking Citizen Corps is the new stasi gone and investigated by talking to law enforcement and local members of citizen watch groups. Is the system already corrupted? Could this act as an alternative justice system which effectively keeps track of political dissidents, truthers, birthers and other non-conformists?
I think it could and is going to be an important question for our country in the next decade I estimate.
God bless.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/7/2010 10:58:16 PM
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Another question about citizen watch groups. I know that some of them are assigned to critical infrastructure and public spaces. I wonder how they would react to seeing a 40 something man with a young girl in a park during school hours? I wonder if some might be moved to call this in as suspicious? Because in several states homeschooling is legal and it would be perfectly within a homeschool parents rights under law (mind you) to take their child anywhere they so chose during the school day.
Just a hypothetical.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/7/2010 11:45:06 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXMW2FMC7A&feature=related
Go FIENGOLD! Yeah. Its time to crack this nut don't y'all think.
And look here a 16 year old disappears into the flurry of FBI agents and poof. And please help me understand why North Carolina were involved in a raid deep into Indiana.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhamh_vwS0k&feature=related
that kid looks like a terrorist and I bet he is deeply linked to al Qaeda Not!
What a joke. More than that a horrible side effect of our overreaction to 9/11.
Where is Ashton Lundeby? Supposedly his IP address was stolen. Who would do such a thing?
We need to wake up here people while there is still a chance.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 2:16:30 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelohGVGhfs&feature=related
The stresses of law enforcement are getting too much for alot of these guys. How long until their superiors do the right thing and remove them from duty?
Are these christian men, regular church attenders who have to violently bludgeon teen girls while the cameras are off?
We need to wake up. May God cause us to wake up and understand what is happening to our nation. Imagine if that was your daughter in the film , maybe arrested for a DUI, got a little lippy with that officer and he turned off the camera and the next time it turns on she is lying there in a pile of blood.
Are you people paying attention at all? Are you capable of paying attention?
The nation is out of control and it is only going to get worse unless we turn our hearts again to the Lord. Law enforcement cannot overcome sin, as wel meaning as so many of our police are they will burn themselves out trying to contain and cope with the avalanche of sin and depravity that will unfold in this nation unless we turn our hearts again to the Lord.
Please, if you are reading this wake up. Wake up now!
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 3:07:40 AM
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http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/whats-wrong-fusion-centers-executive-summary
These concerns by the ACLU were voice in December of 2007. So what are we up to now in 2010?
When you look at the evidence presented in the last few posts it is clear that the surveillence state is up and running and you had better be going along with the program. Any objections to this State of Affairs can have you flagged in data mulled by the NSA or at a Fusion Center and your name can be lined up for special attention.
Only God can save us from this folks. I'm sorry but I hope there are still some of you out there able to understand that saying that only lawbreakers have to fear such an overwhelming synergy in data collection and data mining misses the point. The Federal government at every level is supposed to have derived its power from the people. This cannot be true if the people are never given a chance to review and understand what the government is up to.
Alot of people are wanting a Republican victory in the fall and I think at least the House will go back. But let us remember that both parties have made what is going on possible and neither one may be able to stop it now.
What a black time in America.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 1:28:47 PM
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I came across this thread through an internet search on 'gang stalking' which is a subject I have been researching for about a year since being targeted by these goons 4 years ago. We are not delusional people, though there is a lot of disinformation online that is designed to make us appear to be. The disinformation makes it VERY difficult for a non-target to comprehend that gang stalking is real and not just stories of delusions by paranoid people. This is how an intelligence agency or a rough segment of the intelligence community can continue these crimes in plain sight.
My story began after seeking to blow the whistle on corporate corruption, soon afterwards I began to realize that thing were going wrong, and I mean very wrong. All the similarities that you will read about from creditable targets were also used against me. The tactics they use are designed so that generally only the target is aware of the harassment:
For example one of the tactics my perps like to use was noise campaigns. Where ever I would go throughout the city someone would be there using the same hammering pattern that I had heard somewhere else, but conducted by totally different people, but using different objects. Some might be using a hammer to appear to be building something, while someone else at another location might be parked next to my car and appear to be using a car jack to repair a tire and using the same hammering pattern I heard earlier. This would then go on to include others using different tools but making the same hammering pattern. They would then up the anti and use that pattern when I met my son at a the bus stop, or when dropping my son off at a soccer match, so now not only are they harassing me they're increasing my anxiety with the vague threat against my child.
They can go on and on and start to sensitize me to other anchors such as colors and numbers, so that if I were to complain I would sound as though I'm mentally ill, which is part of their goal. Or maybe I drop my son off at a soccer match and beat the hell out of the one of the guys stalking using the hammering pattern, once arrested if I were to say that people were following me around using the same noise pattern and are threatening my son, they would institutionalized me. This was just one tactic that was used on me it would take all day to describe them all. Institutionalize me when in fact I am not mental, never have been, and never will be, but I was certainly gang stalked which is in of itself a mental illness since our society hasn't developed a way of actually dealing with this problem. Instead we’ve decided to stick our collective heads in the sand, and deny that this problem actually exist and is much more organized and coordinated than one could imagine. Unfortanatly I fear that the problem might have to get worse before it gets recognized, but by then it might me to late.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 1:51:12 PM
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Oh it happens. I all this connectiveness at allows such also keeps an electronic trail. 
... and that is no conspiracy theory
Right.
The three major groupings seem to me to be a) mental illness b) spiritual warfare/demonic manifestation c) actual gang stalking.
Think of it as a Venn Diagram. Your break down has eight categories.
NOT (A OR B OR C)
A AND NOT (B OR C)
B AND NOT (A OR C)
C AND NOT (A OR B)
A AND B AND NOT C
A AND C AND NOT B
B AND C AND NOT A
A AND B AND C
All of the important ratios come out of the base percentages of the four categories A, B, C and none of the above (the Universe as it is often called.) This is basic probability analysis.
So, it is estimated by some that gang stalking complaints amount to almost 10% of all stalking complaints and as many as 1 in 100 US citizens might be affected. Suppose the rate of schizophrenia is a lifetime incidence of 1 in 100 as some studies suggest. This still does not account for all of the data surrounding gang stalking.
Now imagine if you live in Stasi East Germany and someone said I am being watched. You would obviously say 'Dah! We're all being watched.'
The other paradigm though is the demonic: consider putting yourself in the place of the Gerasene Demoniac who had something like 6000 demons. Jesus Himself said that when a demon leaves a person it goes out and finds seven others and comes back to take up residence again.
So again, correct me if I am missing something in the analysis (maybe alien involvement ;-)) but we have only three major considerations: mental illness, human gangstalking (which can be for various reasons by various groups), and paranormal activity.
The fact that TI's are suffering should enlist our compassion and not our scorn or mockery in my opinion. Even if all of them are found to have some kind of physical dysfunction with their brain some may still be being harassed and that harassment should be illegal.
I understand well that the Internet can help people in minority situations find each other and re\enforce each others world view. In that light the symptoms often mentioned in gangstalking could be a form of emmergent group think and suggestion with a compromised population that found each other on the web.
Still, and finally you have the paranormal avenue of this which asks from a christian and biblical worldview what schizophrenia really is?
I am not sure why the Lord lead me to this but I am a scientist and I have studied things like this in the past. This time my heart is really touched by the stories I am hearing and the fact that many TI's who would seem clearly to be schizophrenic (we should not assume all are) are struggling so valiantly to make sense of what is happening to them. This again should enlist our compassion and not our juvenile scorn or calloused dismissal of their claims.
God bless.
I usually don't try to persuade non targets that 'gang stalking' is real most people don't have the imagination to comprehend how and why this could happen to so many people. It takes a non-target a high degree of intelligence to understand and know that this is real, and I can see that you have that kind of intelligence and want to thank you for your efforts.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 2:00:22 PM
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Thanks for posting gsisrael.
In line with adding to the scope of consideration in the thread I wanted to post this link to the wiki on the topic of soft despotism, a concept coined by Tocqueville.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_despotism
God bless.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 8:41:10 PM
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It takes a non-target a high degree of intelligence to understand and know that this is real, and I can see that you have that kind of intelligence and want to thank you for your efforts.
That is a classic belief of a conspiracy theorist -- that they have access to some special knowledge or intelligence that means they can see and understand things better than the rest of us poor deluded slobs.
It's also poppycock (to put it politely) and unbelievably snobbish.
Seeing things that aren't there or happening is a sign of something very different from intelligence.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 9:16:33 PM
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It takes a non-target a high degree of intelligence to understand and know that this is real, and I can see that you have that kind of intelligence and want to thank you for your efforts.
That is a classic belief of a conspiracy theorist -- that they have access to some special knowledge or intelligence that means they can see and understand things better than the rest of us poor deluded slobs.
It's also poppycock (to put it politely) and unbelievably snobbish.
Seeing things that aren't there or happening is a sign of something very different from intelligence.
Now why was that necessary?
Let's be fair here. Most people don't believe microwave energy weapons are posible because they do not understand a thing about EM radiation. Some think they are possible because they don't understand a thing about EM radiation. What does it really have to do with it.
Non-lethal weapons that use microwaves and sound are a known fact. There are even clear reports of some in government related agencies wanting to weaponize LSD into some kind of aerosol. If our government wanted to avoid inspiring conspiracy theories their doing a very poor job. Help me understand why it is ok to subject a mentally ill person to hundreds of high voltage electroshock treatments on behalf of the government? MKULTRA happened man, it is real.
Smart people are often labelled arrogant when in fact those with really bright minds get tired of the hassle and often just stop trying to explain things to log heads like us.
I hear your criticism tacitus and your point is well taken with me that alot of people who ar eexperiencing gang stalking are either dealing with mental illness or paranormal phenomenon (demons.) I suppose it is possible that some are dealing with guilty conscience but I am not trying to pull a doctor frued here.
But look gang stalking is very real and it has manifested itself for as long as humanity has had sufficient numbers to form a group.
Maybe if we turned our attention to the experiences of high profile whistleblowers it would seem a little more grounded for you. Maybe you shoudl start there. here I have a great link for you that will simultaneously show you a case of gang stalking and reveal more than you want to know about modern Jewish culture.
http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/03/rabbi-moshe-tendler-target-of.html
I guess I just don't find the humor or incentive in tearing someone down. He did not personally address the comment to you. Are you feeling mentally less than some how. Let me assure you you are smart enough to understand gang stalking, and microwave energy weapons.
God bless.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 9:33:42 PM
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It takes a non-target a high degree of intelligence to understand and know that this is real, and I can see that you have that kind of intelligence and want to thank you for your efforts.
That is a classic belief of a conspiracy theorist -- that they have access to some special knowledge or intelligence that means they can see and understand things better than the rest of us poor deluded slobs.
It's also poppycock (to put it politely) and unbelievably snobbish.
Seeing things that aren't there or happening is a sign of something very different from intelligence.
You seem to have taken that comment personally; it was in no way directed at you. The point simply was that this crime if very complex and involves many dimensions. BTW I am not a conspiracy theorist; I've already been exposed to gang stalking and know it is real. It may be just a conspiracy to you, but it's all too real for me and thousands of others who have been tortured by this cruel program. There's nothing "snobbish" about being targeted, it's actually quite a humbling experience. And I'm very aware of my own real and imagined experiences, you are not. Nor are you by my knowledge a mental health professional that is qualified to make assumptions about my mental well being, and certainly one can't do that online.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 9:41:09 PM
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Thanks for posting gsisrael.
In line with adding to the scope of consideration in the thread I wanted to post this link to the wiki on the topic of soft despotism, a concept coined by Tocqueville.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_despotism
God bless.
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Soft despotism gives people the illusion that they are in control, when in fact they have very little influence over their government. Soft despotism breeds fear, uncertainty, and doubt in the general populace.
Gang stalking is very much an example of how the powerful and elite have gained access and influence over the gov't and the gov't actually serves as a subordinate of the elite. Before I was targeted for gang stalking I used to be very patriotic and really believed that we lived in a free society. Now I know better.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/8/2010 9:42:00 PM
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It takes a non-target a high degree of intelligence to understand and know that this is real, and I can see that you have that kind of intelligence and want to thank you for your efforts.
That is a classic belief of a conspiracy theorist -- that they have access to some special knowledge or intelligence that means they can see and understand things better than the rest of us poor deluded slobs.
It's also poppycock (to put it politely) and unbelievably snobbish.
Seeing things that aren't there or happening is a sign of something very different from intelligence.
And BTW implying that anyone who has so far posted in this thread is seeing things that are'nt there is drawing a conclusion based entirely on your assumption that mental illness explain this whole thing.
We have already conceded many who are experiencing gang stalking are mentally ill, but not all of them are and just because someone is mentally ill it does not mean they are not being harassed.
Can you at least conceded those points? I personally have a graduate degree and all of my degrees are in science and mathematics. I don't make stuff up and then claim it is real. I'm simply asking important questions about this growing phenomenon. I have been a christian for over 20 years, I understand all of the important issues. I'm not on this subject because I am seeking a stronger delusion.
by Grace,
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/10/2010 10:45:21 AM
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Here is some encouragement from the Bible that we might all be able to agree on.
(Revelation 18:20) Rejoice over her, you heavens! Rejoice, you people of God! Rejoice, apostles and prophets! For God has judged her with the judgment she imposed upon you.
Every evil stroke of the endtimes powers will be repaid by a double portion of God's wrath. Stand strong saints: by grace which belongs to those who receive it, by faith which confirms that we belong to Jesus the victorious and eternal King. He will fulfill His words and keep His promises to us.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/11/2010 5:12:12 AM
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I personally have a graduate degree and all of my degrees are in science and mathematics. I don't make stuff up and then claim it is real. I'm simply asking important questions about this growing phenomenon. I have been a christian for over 20 years, I understand all of the important issues. I'm not on this subject because I am seeking a stronger delusion.
Actually, reading your posts on these 4 pages leads one to the conclusion that you're attempting to prove your beliefs in it now being the "end times"; And you seem confused/offended/attacked when someone disputes you with logic.
I wouldn't say delusion so much as - Illusion, which implies a false ascribing of reality based on what one sees or imagines.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/11/2010 8:04:20 PM
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We have already conceded many who are experiencing gang stalking are mentally ill, but not all of them are and just because someone is mentally ill it does not mean they are not being harassed.
Okay, your reply deserves greater clarification on my part.
I think you have to divide the issue between those who believe it is happening to them (i.e. they are being stalked), and those who believe it is happening to other people (but not to themselves) and is happening more frequently to more people.
In the first group, there are no doubt some people who are being stalked -- and in almost all of those cases there is hard evidence of the harassment, whether it is from Internet log, voice mail and phone logs, or some form of physical evidence of abuse -- trash in the yard, etc. Such stalking can take the form of anything from the falling out of two neighbors to a coordinated effort to intimidate a key witness before a trail, etc. The others -- those where there is no physical evidence of any kind, are almost certainly imagining it (either through a serious mental illness, or perhaps even just having suffered from a couple of weird coincidences that they mistakenly put down to deliberate actions.
The second group, they reek of being classical conspiracy theorists. The same sort of paranoia drives otherwise sane and intelligent people to believe that the government is poisoning the air using jet contrails ("chemtrails"), that the H1N1 flu outbreak is either a "false flag" or a real attempt by the "global elite" to wipe out millions of people, that President Obama engineered the explosion at the drilling platform in the Gulf in order to shut down oil exploration and take over the energy sector, that the government has hard evidence of extraterrestrials on Earth and is either just hiding the evidence or is actively working with the aliens..
I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea. In all these cases there is simply no hard evidence to support the position that these conspiracies exist. We get personal testimony after personal testimony that something is happening, but their stories never lead to material evidence of any kind. The same goes for claims that gang stalking is happening on an increasing scale. I don't deny that it's never happened (I can't say either way), but if it was an ever increasing problem then there would be material evidence to support it. There is none.
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Can you at least conceded those points? I personally have a graduate degree and all of my degrees are in science and mathematics. I don't make stuff up and then claim it is real. I'm simply asking important questions about this growing phenomenon. I have been a christian for over 20 years, I understand all of the important issues. I'm not on this subject because I am seeking a stronger delusion.
Look, I don't doubt your intelligence at all. There is every chance that you are more intelligent than I am, and there are undoubtedly some extremely intelligent people in the conspiracy community (not that I am saying you are a member). Intelligent people can often get things wrong too. Many intelligent people believed that the "Face on Mars" was solid evidence of a alien civilization and that NASA was covering up the truth, but when better photos were taken, it was proved to be dead wrong (though some still refuse to accept it). I really don't think that how intelligent you are determines whether or not you are more likely to be fool into believing a conspiracy theory or not.
I certainly took exception to gsisreal's reply to you when he said "it takes a non-target a high degree of intelligence to understand and know that this is real," which I took to mean that anyone who didn't not believe that is simply not bright enough.
The thing is, people can't always chose whether they believe a delusion or not. I know that from personal experience when I was deluded about my own health for almost two years. (I thought I had ALS). Not everything we chose to believe is true, even if we think we have done due diligence and are firm in our beliefs.
For example, I have no reason to doubt the sincerity of those who believe that Allah is the one true God, and there are billions of people who dedicate their whole lives in such a belief.
In the case of gang stalking, I have a very strong conviction that you just happen to be wrong on this. There just isn't the evidence to support the claims, and seeing the familiar conspiracy theory rhetoric in support of it on this thread (including the claim that you must be really intelligent to understand that it's real), only strengthens the case against it.
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RE: Gang Stalking (is it touching your life?) - 5/12/2010 12:39:13 AM
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ORIGINAL: tacitus
In the case of gang stalking, I have a very strong conviction that you just happen to be wrong on this. There just isn't the evidence to support the claims, and seeing the familiar conspiracy theory rhetoric in support of it on this thread (including the claim that you must be really intelligent to understand that it's real), only strengthens the case against it.
Your post was like freshwater to me tacitus. Thank you for taking the extra time to clarify. As far as a broad scale program that is using directed energy weapons and deep psychological warfare I don't really see the evidence for it either. I am reserving judgment however.
Now, what I am considering though is that many cases of this might be paranormal in the sense of being demonic opression. If it is that then some solid christian counseling and prayer will help tremendously. On the other hand if it is biological in nature then meds have to be considered.
Did you read my blog on it. I thought I covered it pretty well. The link is up a ways.
Can we also mention that a person's eschatology might effect some things here too. I mean I am solid mid-trib and I expect the fifth seal to be the beginning of a systematic persecution of Christians globally that really won't end until Jesus returns. So, though I am careful not to bias my research, I am also looking at the phenomenon and asking whether a) it is real b) it is focused on christians and c) it is showing evidence of being global and coordinated. So far I have answered these as follows.
a) is it real - yes
b) is it focused on christians - no so far as I can tell
c) is it showing evidence of being global - yes, coordinated - no
So I am at this point not able to see it as an endtimes phenomenon or a prophetic mile marker. Still, my heart goes out to those suffering, my prayers, and if by looking into this we can help anyone realized they are not alone I think that is a good thing.
Also, we read the same Bible right? One day the conspiracy will happen. Alot of us choose to believe the church won't be here. I think we will be.
God bless.
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oh, please. Can you say "disinformation"? 